Submissive/masochistic content - discussion

Hello everyone!

I've started this post for discussion of what specifically to add

for the prove me wrong release. The winner was “Consensual

submissive/masochistic content (e.g. rough sex, humiliation etc)”.

Considering that this isn't something I was originally planning to

add to the game (as with all PMW candidates), your suggestions on how

to implement it will be especially useful.

There was already a little discussion of this on an earlier post,

but I'm starting a new one so that it'll be the most recent one, and

also as the older one was restricted to voter-patrons and I want the

discussion to be open for everyone.

From the earlier discussion, people wanted content added to

existing scenes rather than being encapsulated into a single new one.

I've started on the preliminaries, and here's my shortlist of things

to add. I feel that it's lacking a bit though – it seems a bit

lightweight and so I want some more ideas.

• Add a new trait (“Likes it rough”). I was originally

  planning not to do this, but on consideration I think it's

  essential. The Low Self Esteem and Passionate Lover have a certain

  crossover with this, but neither of them really capture what I think

  we want from this update.

  
  

  
  

• Modify stat effects & corresponding text for existing

  actions to handle this new trait. It should make the character

  always like 'rough' actions. It should also probably make her

  aroused by being insulted, but unless she has low self esteem she'll

  still dislike the men who are rude to her even if it turns her on.

  
  

  
  

• Add an action to existing male-driven sex scenes where the

  character asks her partner to be rough with her. This would

  encourage him to switch to the rough pace and disable the slow one.

  
  

  
  

• NPC responses to above action based on traits. Jerks, loving

  men, guys who dislike her, vigorous lovers – these should all get

  custom text.

  
  

  
  

• Possibly add a new npc trait (“tender lover”?) that will

  make men refuse to be rough with the pc. However, this might not be

  an appropriate addition for the PMW release. After all, it's sort of

  the opposite of the requested change. What do you think?

  
  

  
  

• A new speech action for when the pc has asked her partner to

  be rough. This would involve him insulting or belittling her.

  However, because it's being done as sex-talk, the pc wouldn't

  dislike the man for doing it. Guys who are jerks might get to access

  the action even if she hasn't asked for rough sex, in which case

  there would be relationship effects. There should be different text

  for 'nice' men compared to jerks, but I'm not sure on what

  specifically to put here – suggestions for what you want the men

  to say will be very welcome!

  
  

  
  

• A new 'serious talk' option where she asks the man to always

  be rough with her. This would act as if she'd always taken the “ask

  him to be rough” action in future sex scenes, without the player

  having to select it.

  
  

  
  

• Deepthroat/face-fucking oral option, which she can request or

  a jerk can do anyway. This would limit the pc's actions unless she

  decides to stop him. Girls who like rough sex would need a willpower

  test to stop deepthroating.

  
  

  
  

  
  

So... as you can see, there are a few things there I could use

help with. There's also some other areas which could use more

content. Here's some where my ideas aren't well fleshed-out:

• Rough actions for makeouts? But what? I guess there can be an

  alternative breast-groping action where he's so rough it hurts, but

  I'm not sure about what else. Sadly, because of the complexity of

  the clothing system, I'd rather not have him tear or damage her

  clothing while removing it.

  
  

  
  

• A humiliation option in dates or at the player's home?

  Perhaps the man uses the pc as a footstool? Or just berates her for

  a bit? Or he ties her hair to something so she can't move (bet that

  wouldn't work in real life!) and she has to watch as he puts his

  feet up and has a beer in her home? Well, there's a bunch of things

  that could go here, but I'm not sure what would be interesting for

  people.

  
  

  
  

• Obviously we should keep Cubano satisfied with a

  rough/humiliating breakfast option. Maybe he makes pancakes and

  brings them to her in bed, but he's used syrup to write “you suck”

  on her one?

  
  

  
  

  
  

Well, post a comment with any idea, suggestions, thoughts or comments. I really want to make sure the PMW release is a big success, even if it means taking as long as 0.3.9 did!