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Thank you for the media explanation, I especially appreciate the details. I’m not naive about quote attribution, I find it hard to believe anyone is right now. Media is turning into more entertainment than journalism right now, but that’s a whole different discussion. I’m more interested in the veracity of what Kuminga source said than whether or not it was said at all. The person who verified the truthfulness of the quote attributed to Kuminga’s source was Kerr himself when he came out with his explanation of always having his office door open to the players and said Kuminga could just come and talk to him. Like I said, I don’t think Kerr realized the extent of the issue and frustration for Kuminga at that time because he was too preoccupied with managing Klay, Dray, etc. This is also why I chalk this whole incident up to a mistake by a barely 21 year old AT WORST. The actual outcome was one of the best things that could have happened for everyone involved because Kerr finally realized he wasn’t solving all of the issues to try to keep the team on track and Kuminga’s message got through. Kuminga is very lucky to have a coach like Kerr, a lot of coaches would have focused on “going outside the family” and might have even punished him for it. Maybe he is punishing him by not playing him more (I don’t actually believe this, just acknowledging that some people do believe this is a possibility). Kerr is really one of the best human beings on the planet. I love how supportive he is of the players and the culture he’s been able to build here. Unfortunately, because I hold him in such high esteem, I do expect him to not to be so passive with his coaching decisions, adjustments, etc. Again, a separate discussion. So, no, I don’t believe that “going outside the family” makes Kuminga untrustworthy or likely to take advantage of the organization. I do think that Kuminga learned a valuable lesson via the backlash he got and he is unlikely to do that again in the future. But that’s what we want a person to do, learn from their mistakes and not repeat them. If he were to do something similar again, even if it was his manager and not himself, I would be less confident that he was as invested in being a team player at that point. Because Kerr and the entire Warriors organization publicly showed that they have his back, so he should have no reason not to trust that and communicate with them directly. Are you actually concerned that Kuminga could “Aiyuk” the organization or are you disappointed that you thought he could be that type of person because that’s not the type of player we want on the team?
Irritated Inanimate
2025-01-04 19:59:53 +0000 UTCOh. I see part of the problem here. I work in media, so I forgot that most people don't know how to correctly parse "quote attribution," — and that is why journalists use it. It provides the thinnest amount of plausible deniability which incentivizes people to give them juicy quotes that get attention ($$$), without those sources having to be held accountable for what they say. People with media literacy training see through it as if it weren't there, but I forget that it works on normal people. (This is not person dig. Most people don't know how to parse it.) There's a great explainer by a comms prof, but I can't find it right now. Short version is basically: "according to people familiar with X's thinking" is usually a direct quote from that person and referring to internal thoughts of a person, but "according to people close to X" is either from that person or a statement from their agent. Either way, it is a message that person X intentionally gave to the reporter. The reputational and professional damage to a reporter who works for a real company if they reported the thoughts of celebrity person X and then celebrity person X denied it and proved it was wrong would be catastrophic. These media guys don't "guess." They get the juicy quote from an *authorized* source. They GIVE vague attribution so the source can have distance / plausible deniability. That's why I read, "A source close to Kuminga" as "Kuminga" and you read it as [who knows who that could be?]. Regardless, the main disagreement seems to remain that you think it's justified for JK to hurt the team by going outside the family when "it is clear" he will not get any help from inside the family. What he wants is playing time (just like all the other players) and it is NOT HIS DECISION who gets to have that. Again, I see you arguing that the ends justify the means, when the goal is JK getting what JK wants. But that's not my goal. My goal is for the Warriors to win, not for JK to get what he wants. And I think that's the difference in goals between JK and Kerr and the rest of the team. If it is your goal to have the Dubs win (as opposed to helping JK) then the person who gets to decide how to do that is whoever Lacob and Dunleavy hire to coach the team. But everybody has to agree that — as one team — the Coach gets to decide who plays when. And THAT is the very basic element of the social contract (and probably employment contract) that JK and his agent are violating by going to the media to get Kerr to give JK what JK wants, not what Kerr's professional judgment says is best for the team. (If you want to argue that Kerr shouldn't be the one to make coaching decisions for this team, that's independent of the point I was making.) Appreciate the discussion. 👍
John Pettus
2025-01-02 05:47:55 +0000 UTCAgree with everything Point Gawd has laid out. You are ascribing behavior to Kuminga specifically that came from “sources close to Kuminga.” Do you even know what Kuminga is quoted to have said specifically? Apologies for making it personal, I have no problem with you pointing to specific evidence from Kuminga himself that make your point. Unfortunately , your evidence has no quote from Kuminga directly and the rest of it is based on how you know because of what you have experienced or believe. One thing Kuminga made very clear is that he did not feel like he could speak to Kerr directly about the issue. I know Kerr likes to think of himself as accessible, but Draymond punching Poole in front of everyone at practice and then getting traded would make any young player unsure of whether his coach is going to support him or not. It definitely helped when Kerr said publicly that he expects everyone to be able to speak with him about everything. But the public backlash to Kuminga specifically, even though most people acknowledged that he was probably right, has been something that Kuminga and his team have learned from. And there is one scenario where you do go outside of the “family” to air your grievances and that is when it is clear that you will not get any help to solve that issue from inside the family itself. The power imbalance in that scenario clearly favors the family. And we are talking about the organization “looking bad” vs tanking a kid’s reputation, abilities, and money making potential? There’s no reason a young kid with a crazy amount of potential should sacrifice himself to the organization, if anything it was a wake up call for the organization with regard to its younger players. Moses’s team also indicated he was concerned. Kuminga was the only player anyone decided they had a problem with. Kuminga has never presented as anything other than respectful to the point of being deferential, having a deep desire to be the best basketball player in the mold of Kobe Bryant, and to be a longtime part of this Warriors franchise. I’m going to need multiple pieces of evidence that say otherwise before I start doubting this young man.
Irritated Inanimate
2025-01-01 19:30:01 +0000 UTCI’m starting to think Kuminga is actually going to benefit from Kerr’s neglect and mismanagement. Kid had to walk through fire to get what he wanted, he’s going to be a beast in the league.
Irritated Inanimate
2025-01-01 04:32:55 +0000 UTCGiannis Minutes, 1st 3 years: 1897, 2541, 2823, whereas Kuminga Minutes, 1st 3 years: 1185, 1394, 1949. SO, by the end of year 3 Giannis had played 7,261 minutes while JK had played 4,528 minutes. Giannis had played 60% more minutes than JK. And JK wasn't losing minutes because of poor performance, it was because of bad coaching. Given that difference in developmental time, I'd say JK's performance trajectory is EXTREMELY promising. Not saying he'll be better than Giannis, but contending he is not, and not taking account of this kind of disparity, is, I think, a less-than-fair evaluation.
Point Gawd
2024-12-31 19:05:09 +0000 UTCI very much disagree with your take about what happened and what going outside the team means. First, if a coach is playing older less talented guys, then letting the organization know you would like to move on is not an anti-team move. If its all about winning, how can the team win when a coach is playing players who will be out of the league next year over 2nd year players who make the same amount of mistakes, but are younger and more talented? That's the scenario when Steve Kerr played 2-way player Anthony Lamb over Kuminga, and almost the same when Steve Kerr played 2-way Ty Jerome over Moody. And that team went nowhere. EVEN if JK was no better than Anthony Lamb (an objectively wrong supposition), and even IF the team would've won not a single game more had JK taken Lamb's minutes, the good of the team was for the coach to be preparing and developing Kuminga and Moody, not wasting time on going-nowhere players. THEN, add the fact that by nailing JK to the bench, Kerr reduced JK's ability to earn the salary his draft position implies. It would be one thing if JK was revealed to be a total bust. But JK got benched even when he did well. So let me ask you--how much of your money are you willing to let your boss steal from you by denying you opportunities you earned, while you watch your organization fail to succeed, before you say anything to your boss's boss? How long are you willing to stay silent, knowing that any day you could get injured and lose ANY opportunity to earn that money back, while you watch geezers make the same mistakes you allegedly do? ... As for Dray and Klay, in my book Made Men have LESS right to protest anything. They got theirs. Even if the coach benches them for the entire season, nothing will take away from their placement in the HoF. The people who have a right to complain are those begging for a chance to earn those same accolades. And if a coach is going to coach on a team that drafts multiple lottery players, that coach should have the wisdom to play them so they can develop, or that coach should respectfully resign so someone else can do the job. Any other response is coaching malpractice and disrespectful treatment of people. In my view.
Point Gawd
2024-12-31 18:56:20 +0000 UTCWTF? This has nothing to do with me. Sorry if I hurt your feelings so you feel the need attack me instead of address the points I (and LOTS of others) made about JK using Shams to attack Kerr in the press. And if you still don’t understand why it is bad for the team to settle scores and get your way through the press, then there’s nothing more I can do. Except tell you to behave better and not attack people while ignoring the points being raised.
John Pettus
2024-12-31 12:45:47 +0000 UTCWTF is your problem? This has nothing to do with me. Sorry if my discussion about the Warriors hurt your feelings so
John Pettus
2024-12-31 12:39:54 +0000 UTCEveryone agrees Steph is no longer a first option, that’s why everyone is looking for a huge trade for a true first option.
Irritated Inanimate
2024-12-31 06:23:19 +0000 UTC“(Thursday night) was the straw that broke the camel’s back,” the source told The Athletic. “After sitting for the final 18 minutes of Thursday night’s loss to the Denver Nuggets, Golden State Warriors forward Jonathan Kuminga has lost faith in coach Steve Kerr,” Charania and Anthony Slater reported for The Athletic, citing sources close to Kuminga. A source close to Kuminga. Nobody is citing Kuminga here. Am I to understand that we assume Kuminga was ok and told someone to tell Slater and Shams this?
Irritated Inanimate
2024-12-31 06:21:26 +0000 UTCWow. I’ll be honest, that explanation says a lot more about you and your personal experiences than it does about anything Kuminga has done. I’m not even sure it’s necessary to defend Kuminga. “Sources close to Kuminga” were quoted. Kuminga explained that all he said was it was confusing and hard to stay mentally engaged. Kerr admitted he made a bad call. At worst, he may have made a mistake as a barely 21 year old or his team may have gotten too aggressive in trying to solve a problem. At best, Kerr was forced to let Kuminga play more, which everyone agrees was necessary and overdue. Neither of those scenarios says he is willfully manipulating and manufacturing a scenario with intentions to take advantage of the Warriors organization. Kid knows he’s getting paid. Only question is by whom and by how many millions over $20 million per year.
Irritated Inanimate
2024-12-31 06:08:40 +0000 UTCI think you're half correct. Dray and Klay DEFINITELY both screwed the team by being selfish. Not by going OUTSIDE the team, which is a very particular kind of sin in team sports. But what they did was selfish and bad and I said it (and so did Alch and almost everybody) at the time. But Dray and Klay were both made men when they pulled that BS. Statue guys. That's why they got away with it. You pull anti-team shenanigans without being that guy and you can ask Jordan Poole how the org feels about that. On any high intensity team—in the military, in business—if you take family business OUTSIDE of the family to try to get what you want... you've broken the social contract. Shattered trust. And **I don't care** if you think that's what you think you need to do to get what you want or to win. That's not your call. Not your job. There's a reason we don't let 21 year old kids manage NBA teams. Going to the media and undermining your coach in public is a selfish, unacceptable anti-team move. Full stop. The kind of person who would do that is not someone who has the team's best interests at heart. Your non-sequitur both-sides'ing about Kerr does not remotely justify young players doing what JK did. If it's OK, why doesn't Podz tell Malika he needs to be in the starting rotation? TJD's agent emails Damon Bruce that the Dubs need to trade Looney to open minutes for him? Moody's circle goes on background to Kendrick Perkins (who owes him one) about how the Warriors are terrible for young players if Kerr doesn't play him more. You can't have it. You gotta work, play and act as a team. I want JK to succeed really bad. But I don't see him behaving like a good team member, which is why I say I'm worried he's going to Aiyuk us.
John Pettus
2024-12-31 03:02:35 +0000 UTCIt's weird you're taking this personally
Bailey
2024-12-30 21:43:19 +0000 UTCJK literally had a proper interview with The Athletic back in January where he spoke about Kerr
Bailey
2024-12-30 21:42:12 +0000 UTCIf that's screwing the org, then Dray has screwed the Dubs, Klay definitely has screwed the Dubs, Kerr screwed the Dubs after several games--most notably the recent "If Steph Curry is on your team you pass the ball" lecture. Expressing frustration, or having your agent quietly tell the team they should either play him or trade him, is not screwing the org. It's trying to go where your talents will be nurtured, utilized, and appreciated. If anyone is screwing the org, its a coach who plays Anthony Lamb over Jonathan Kuminga.
Point Gawd
2024-12-30 21:39:39 +0000 UTCFor those asking when JK screwed over the Warriors, it was when JK went outside the organization to Shams and put Kerr on blast in the media because he, an underperforming 3rd year player, wasn’t getting everything he wanted. https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/nba-rumors-jonathan-kuminga-steve-kerr/1688183/ Some of you probably don’t think that’s a big deal but I assure you it’s a BIG deal when a player takes family business outside the family, especially damaging the team to get money for themselves. That is what Deebo and Aiyuk did to the Niners, and it might have cost us the season. I think JK is going to do that to the Warriors. It’s selfish and people like that sabotage a team form within. Sadly, that’s what Klay did in his last couple of years. It hurt us.
John Pettus
2024-12-30 21:34:18 +0000 UTCYou would have to commit to this team if you do decide to pay JK but I think this is a solid team and can move the needle. If JK doesnt take that leap, you still can sign and trade for a star in the off season I think.
Diego
2024-12-30 21:32:52 +0000 UTCBeen thinking about this. Idk if the Nets or Bulls take this, will probably have to add more picks but this what I got: Warriors received: Nikola Vucevic, Cam Johnson Nets Received: GPII, Kevon Looney, Moses Moody, and 2 First Round picks Bulls received: Buddy Hield, Kyle Anderson, Gui Santos, and 3 Second Round picks Warriors 9-man rotation: Starters: Curry, Wiggins, Kuminga, Cam, Vucevic Bench: Dennis, Podz, Lindy Waters, Dray, TJD The nets get their expiring contracts and 2 FRPs, and we get a bigger catch-and-shoot replacement for Buddy. The bulls get some solid role players and second-round picks, and we get the stretch 5. We move on from DNPs like Moody, GPII, and SlowMo. In my eyes ur exchanging Buddy Hield for Cam Johnson, and Looney for Vuc. Cam is bigger and can shoot over the tops of players without needing to come off of screens, your true OPJ replacement. With the emergence of TJD, Looney is not getting as many minutes and it could be worth it to trade him for a Vuc to give the offense and the 5 position a different look. You can move around the rotations, if you want defense you bring in Dray and Tjd for Cam and Vuc and vice versa. Kuminga gets some great spacing and becomes our true number 2 (or number 1 on sum nights imo), Dennis becomes infinitely more effective with spacing and a great pick and role partner like Vuc, and Cam, plus Curry doesn't have to play too many minutes. We get bigger with Cam at the 4 and Kuminga at the 3, miss match every possession on most nights. We would have to sign Pat and Post to contracts and get sum more 2 ways, maybe Plowden and Nox. Might put us over the first apron.
Diego
2024-12-30 21:30:38 +0000 UTCWhat do we need to do to get NBA games to start on time. It says starts at 7 but doesn’t start til 20 min. Later. If I turn on a 49ers game 20 min after the start time, I’m 20 min late
Elias Candelaria
2024-12-30 20:07:14 +0000 UTCSo Alc. Who do you think JK should model his game around? He’s already great at attacking the basket… and is not afraid to take a 3. IMO he should be looking at KOBE. Specifically his pivot moves and midrange game. I feel like often times when the motion offense fails, and the paint is also crowded, it would open a world of possibilities for him if he understood that he can also get free with pivot moves…. Ant already does it. So yeah. IMO he should look at Kobe, and Olajuwon. Then he’d truly be unstoppable and the 2nd option we need
Abraham Garcia
2024-12-30 16:04:36 +0000 UTCThat's fair, they definitely respect him. And you might be right, it's probably for the better to let him take care of the D
Piotr Plencler
2024-12-30 11:05:04 +0000 UTCMore Kyle Anderson please! Take some of Dray's minutes
Robert N
2024-12-30 07:28:13 +0000 UTCGood call. Kerr had a lot of other things he was dealing with. The young guys have been on the back burner too long . If all of the vets and Kerr were on the same page, they could have focused on leveling up Kuminga and Moody the whole time
Robert N
2024-12-30 07:09:23 +0000 UTC“I’m a grower not a shower” Unc be wildin lol
Ruben Valce
2024-12-30 06:06:17 +0000 UTCThree to four of them don’t play anyway
Sarcasm 360
2024-12-30 05:58:49 +0000 UTC3-4 of our players for one player? How do we replace our bench? Or are you thinking it doesn’t matter because you shortened the rotation?
Irritated Inanimate
2024-12-30 05:57:37 +0000 UTCEverybody gives enough respect to Steph.
Irritated Inanimate
2024-12-30 05:50:10 +0000 UTCThey got their asses handed to them when they tried to play “fast” last time. Kenny’s team did everything faster and stronger. Which is why the Young Dubs will probably be utilized more, Steph and Dray can’t keep up. Wouldn’t be surprised if neither of them play.
Irritated Inanimate
2024-12-30 05:49:42 +0000 UTCWell said! Kuminga has never indicated anything other than a sincere desire to be the best and for the Warriors to be his home team.
Irritated Inanimate
2024-12-30 05:46:35 +0000 UTCI get most of the fan base is divided on JK mainly because of the media blunder. If there's anything I've learned over the past several years, it's don't trust mainstream media. For all we know JK never intended for his private communications with his agent to get leaked. I'm willing to give JK the benefit of the doubt because I'm familiar with his personal story.
Jimmy Ji
2024-12-30 05:37:43 +0000 UTCI don’t believe Kerr dislikes Kuminga personally, but I’m running out of ways to make sense of his treatment of Kuminga. My latest theory is that it actually has nothing to do with Kuminga, it has to do with trying to manage Draymond. I think Draymond is having trouble with his diminished abilities, just like Klay last year. I think Draymond may be managing it better than Klay did, but Kerr spends too much energy trying to figure out how to keep everything stable. That may be the reason why he puts Steph or Draymond into games when the other players are doing well without them and neither Steph nor Dray is playing well in that particular game themselves. Kerr keeps saying he’s experimenting, but I don’t think he’s solving the problem of finding the best starting line up or best matchup, he’s trying to solve the problem of the best starting lineup WITH Dray and Steph. It’s not to say they don’t play the best some games, it’s to say that if they clearly are not playing well, he’s going to keep Draymond in instead of Kuminga because he can “live with” Dray’s mistakes, he can’t live with Kuminga’s. But Kuminga could actually help the team despite his mistakes, so that seems like an unnecessary decision on Kerr’s part. Working theory, I’m interested to see where they go from here.
Irritated Inanimate
2024-12-30 05:36:28 +0000 UTCSo you've never seen Kerr call out Steph or Dray? Really?!?! You've never seen Kerr give JK praise? Really!?!? I really don't understand this Hatred towards Kerr. Criticisms of lineups and playing time is more than valid but why are fans taking it more personal than JK is? This is not soccer where they change coaches like underwear. This is not a dysfunctional franchise like the Kings that don't have an identity and make rash decisions based on emotional fan reactions. Continuity is key to developing culture. And outside of the very best players in the league culture is the best development for young players. This team is not one of the best in the West and will struggle regardless to make the play in. But since Steph will finish a Warrior, if JK wants to be a great player, it would serve him better in the short and long term to learn how to play around other greats and still get his. I believe he's doing fine but will continue to go back & fourth depending on the oppositional matchup.
Nos Dollas
2024-12-30 05:24:32 +0000 UTCI’d rather Kerr left the defense alone, feels like he handed it off a long time ago and has no desire to participate. I did see Stackhouse hype Buddy up after a good defensive play. And the team seems to respects Stackhouse, so I’d say it’s probably working for everyone the best way it could.
Irritated Inanimate
2024-12-30 05:16:39 +0000 UTCThat was my thought as well, but then even on bad defensive plays we see Stackhouse fired up, "emoting" a lot and yet Kerr still doesn't seem to be talking much to him. Not to mention, that at the start of the year we saw Stackhouse get up and talk to the players from the sideline when Kerr would sit down - it felt like they continously get coached. We don't really see that at all anymore. I'm just afraid they made Stack feel like he should take a step back which is a shame, cos these guys could really use it sometimes. Watching the games, and especially whenever they cut to the bench, it doesn't feel like "the big coaching three" but rather a 2+1. P.S. I just finished watching the game vs Suns and ironically, I feel like I've seen them talk more during this game than the last 15...
Piotr Plencler
2024-12-30 05:11:34 +0000 UTCI’ve noticed that and thought it was because Stackhouse is in charge of defense when prob Kerr & Stotts run offense and so commiserate on that ?
Allison Hendrix
2024-12-30 04:51:58 +0000 UTCAlc we need you to comment on Herro and Thompson fight!
Paul Byun
2024-12-30 04:50:57 +0000 UTCI don’t know but they like Goga more it seem
Sarcasm 360
2024-12-30 04:29:46 +0000 UTC@Orion Is Wendell Carter even available? If so, would be an amazing addition.
deb m.
2024-12-30 04:22:24 +0000 UTCI never really comment, but I'm curious if you guys feel the same way. I like to replay certain plays multiple times and watch the bench's reactions, and I've noticed that Kerr almost always talks only to Stotts and I hardly ever see him talk to Stackhouse during the game. Any thoughts?
Piotr Plencler
2024-12-30 04:03:52 +0000 UTCWhen has he screwed us over? I see you made a handful of comments on this video and most of them are just salty comments about JK. Criticizing someone’s game is one thing, but calling out someone’s character without anything to back it up is just too much hate.
A L
2024-12-30 04:01:04 +0000 UTCAll credit to Kuminga since Kerr insisted he needed to figure it out. Also happy to see the rebounding and the defense increase in intensity. And then… it flows into the offense, just like everyone said it would. Keep it going, Kuminga, don’t let that man mess with your money. Podz isn’t shooting because people chastised him for taking too long. Frankly, his indecision with shooting him less predictable to guard. Podz will make it work, not worried about that. He said something about using his defense to get into the flow of the game. That’s a players who is constantly thinking about all the factors, if he messes something up, it’s usually because he was missing the information to make the “correct” decision. I’ve notice Warriors have too many instances without movement in their rotations, not even adjusting the angles so they are accessible for a pass or moving toward the ball instead of waiting for it to come to them. Leads to more turnovers than it should. Always happy for Draymond’s threes, it’s a nice little local stat regarding their win percentage. Makes it always a fun game. I really liked what Schröder said about how the team and the youngsters are handling the losses. You might be able to hide some dissension from the outside world, but you can’t hide it from your teammates. If they are really as supportive of each other as they say they are, that can mean great things to come. Nothing brings people together faster than tackling a common challenge. Hopefully Kerr is preparing them better for meeting the Cavs this time around. Fingers crossed
Irritated Inanimate
2024-12-30 03:38:51 +0000 UTCStrong words. When did he screw over the Warriors?
Irritated Inanimate
2024-12-30 03:12:32 +0000 UTCI was giving Kerr the benefit of the doubt but after watching his interview, I am convinced Kerr either has in instructions or is bitterly against JK shining to get the bag. The most Kerr could say in his post game interview of the big win that JK caused with both Steph and Dray in the game was, "It feels different!" He never gives JK credit for causing the win. He talked around useless stats and shared actions but no real credit for taking over the game and even bailing Steph out for causing the 6 point lead to flip the other eay. KERR never gave JK credit for who he is, what he does well and how much the Dubs need that contributolion. Kerr kept using deflective or deminishing verbiage. Worse! Watch Kerr body language on JK spectacular finishes and most of all, once the Dubs won the game. Almost like irk. What will I say now? BTW I dont believe Steph or Dray are in favour of the shackles that were put on JK but they are in a perculiar spot to call anyone out publically. They do get super excited and celebrate when JK does rise above the crap. Thank you for the break down. As for Buddy. I get needing to jolt a player but the whole team including Steph and Dray deserved the public call out and not just Buddy. Consider what I suggested about Buddy's footwork before we jump off the deep end cussing out with an emotional outburst. Why pick on one of the most mild mannered teammates publically even if he believed it was going to ignite Buddy. Buddy shot is like a golf swing. You not going to shout that into form. Help to get his feet right. He is shooting too many shots not squared up Fix that and it's swish.
Dale Happy Knowles
2024-12-30 03:08:33 +0000 UTCWhen has he screwed the warriors over?
Ash
2024-12-30 03:03:17 +0000 UTCAnother very well said point. “Kerr was consumed”
Athletic Alchemy
2024-12-30 02:47:15 +0000 UTCIdk there is always a chance he doesn’t pan out. I don’t think it will be character. Africans can be hard to read. Kuminga has done or tried to do everything they asked even if it’s with a hint of attitude.
Athletic Alchemy
2024-12-30 02:44:55 +0000 UTCExactly. It’s NOT simple. Dudes are out here Dunning-Kruger’ing their asses off.
John Pettus
2024-12-30 02:42:34 +0000 UTCI've given up on this team in terms of meaningful basketball. But it sure is fun as heck to watch JK ball out. Let's hope this time Kerr doesn't put him back on his box. Steph is going to have to be the one to push for JK really being let off the leash.
Alasdair Macdonald
2024-12-30 02:42:33 +0000 UTCDraymond is not wrong about needing to use different approaches at different times in different ways. But he hasn’t been a paragon of consistency either, so I don’t know how effective him yelling at Buddy was at that moment.
Irritated Inanimate
2024-12-30 02:41:21 +0000 UTCI hate the narrative on JK’s basketball IQ, feels like something a coach said once and it stuck, but somebody should have checked that BS long ago. He’s only been playing ball competitively for how many years? He just turned 22. The idea that he should have been an experienced player making experienced decisions when he doesn’t even have that experience is crazy. And you have to be careful of national media in particular creating that narrative because they have their own reasons, none of which are in Kuminga’s best interest. It could be for the same reason refs swallow the whistle when it comes to Steph. :: Best way to build IQ is with experience and significant run time on the floor. Just because Kerr has to spend more time and effort explaining things to Kuminga doesn’t mean Kuminga doesn’t get it, it means it takes him longer to get it. And then when Kuminga gets it, he burns up the floor with his electric performances. That is not low IQ, that is learning the game, the language, the vocabulary, and the shorthand all at once in a short amount of time. If you look at it that way, Kuminga’s learning curve has been very steep and he’s still been able to make something out of it because he wants it so badly.
Irritated Inanimate
2024-12-30 02:38:53 +0000 UTCAs an athlete and army officer, I can tell you that yelling at somebody is NOT, in fact, leadership. It’s what bad leaders think good leadership is. I expect Dray also did some good leadership on the sidelines, but that was not picked up by the floor mics.
John Pettus
2024-12-30 02:38:40 +0000 UTCI’m not saying he will get there I’m saying that’s best case scenario. Also, if they play JK 35 min a night and he continues to play how he has when he plays 30+ min this year I would say it he on track. Not every player has the same path towards their peak. JK still has a slim chance of getting there
Diego
2024-12-30 02:34:15 +0000 UTCI don’t agree at all. JK wouldn’t be a #1 on any team in the NBA.
John Pettus
2024-12-30 02:33:35 +0000 UTCWhoa. No way. SGA and Giannis were already stars by year 4, and superstars shortly after. That’s not JK, at all.
John Pettus
2024-12-30 02:31:59 +0000 UTCYeah you right.. but it’s been years. I don’t want to pick on Dray for his body breaking down. For him in particular we all get it. But I also got yo point out what’s happening
Athletic Alchemy
2024-12-30 02:31:58 +0000 UTCSome players will always be low BBIQ, and others will always be high BBIQ. But for most players, BBIQ can be developed. A large part of BBIQ is the ability to recognize what's happening and anticipate what is next. And you know what underlies that skill? Familiarity. And you know what makes familiarity? Being on the court as situations unfold. SO, if you wanted JK to have a higher BBIQ sooner, you woulda been playing him more each of his earlier seasons, and not 30 minutes in one game, 2 in another. You woulda been playing him regularly, in the rotation, certainly in year 3, and most of year 2, too. You can't blame the player for not becoming familiar with the NBA game when the player has never played a season with regular minutes as a rotation player, even though their performance often merited such a role.
Point Gawd
2024-12-30 02:30:21 +0000 UTCI’m really worried that JK is going to Aiyuk us. I think he resents Steve, Steph and the Warriors in general. I think he mostly only cares about himself and he’ll screw is the first time it gives him a tiny personal advantage. He’s done it already. More power never makes people more moral.
John Pettus
2024-12-30 02:26:51 +0000 UTCWelcome. You’re going to come to rely on it, like we do.
John Pettus
2024-12-30 02:26:27 +0000 UTCGood question!
Irritated Inanimate
2024-12-30 02:25:59 +0000 UTCBecause our most effective lineup is Draymond at the 5 and JK at the 4.
John Pettus
2024-12-30 02:25:50 +0000 UTCLet’s not forget that it was specifically Kuminga’s team who questioned Kerr. Kuminga’s actual comments were pretty benign actually, Kerr felt called out because he assumes he’s accessible, but I don’t think Kerr considered enough what the fallout from Draymond punching Poole would feel like to the younger players who had been waiting patiently. Kerr was so consumed in managing Dray and Klay, he failed horribly at managing the team itself last year. I didn’t like the way people immediately called Kuminga rude and entitled, even though he never made a big deal of any of it. He’d already decided how he was going to handle it, which was just to make do with whatever he got and get to another team if he could. In any case, I’m happy if Kuminga can be anointed now, he’s worked hard and deserves it.
Irritated Inanimate
2024-12-30 02:24:47 +0000 UTCMaybe. Or Kerr could say to himself, "When they go big, we go small and run 'em off the court," and trot out a line-up of Schroder, Podz, Buddy, Lindy, and Steph. Obviously, Steph at the 4.
Point Gawd
2024-12-30 02:23:33 +0000 UTCIf I could pin this comment I would … very well said 🫡
Athletic Alchemy
2024-12-30 02:18:36 +0000 UTCAlc - I really liked your YT vid. For all his flaws, the kid is a winner. I think the strict technical criticisms of his game are true, but incomplete. He’s got a lot of intangibles - heart, poise, aggression, coachability that go under discussed imho. In basketball (& life) one of the most embarrassing things to do is to demand an opportunity and then fail. That’s why it’s always easier to find people quietly complaining about not getting their shot or just “patiently” wait their turn. I’m not saying the Shams thing was the right move, but I don’t think he got enough credit for the fact that he put himself out there, became a bit of a national laughing stock for questioning his 9 ring coach - and then went out there and fkn DELIVERED. It’s things like that gives me hope he’ll figure things out & that when he does he’ll be special.
Ejikeme Uzoigwe
2024-12-30 02:05:34 +0000 UTCWelcome 🤜🏽
Athletic Alchemy
2024-12-30 02:02:33 +0000 UTCFax! I feel like we’re due tho haven’t had an excellent 3pt shooting game since the original 12-3 start
Chris Thomas
2024-12-30 02:01:09 +0000 UTCUsed to feel like Steph would take those push floaters all the time. Dray might need the Jonathan Isaac treatment on his minutes, use him a bit more like Gp2, let him loose for short bursts. Love seeing JK thrive. Great stuff as always.
John Z
2024-12-30 01:55:46 +0000 UTCI know we’ve been down this road before with JK, but there are a few things that make me optimistic. First, usually these JK opportunities have come from more acute and short term necessity - ex Wiggins is MIA or Dray is injured/suspended. So there would always be a natural shelf life to it and a question of - what’s gonna happen when so & so comes back? At least that’s not the case this time. I’m also encouraged because I don’t think any of the past JK runs have ended because his play dropped off. Usually, he played well until he was demoted. Not an ideal trait, but better than if he had a history of falling to earth.
Ejikeme Uzoigwe
2024-12-30 01:51:47 +0000 UTCThis is exciting stuff. Cautiously optimistic. JK turning a corner both on the court (and in the mind of the vets/coaching staff) truly opens up so many good things. Besides all the stuff it opens up on the court, I think if Kuminga becomes that guy worth investing in, then the FO may be willing to risk some of those valuable post-Steph 1sts on a quality stretch big.
Ejikeme Uzoigwe
2024-12-30 01:43:29 +0000 UTCHe started playing basketball in high school, you do know that right? Just because his basketball IQ is low now doesn't mean he can't develop through playing time. Coming into this season he ranked #14 in minutes played amongst the 1st rounders in his draft class.
Jimmy Ji
2024-12-30 01:41:50 +0000 UTCI’m guessing TJD/Loon get heavy mins vs CLE size. JK variety and creating from paint is a step I’d love to see him take against nimble size, much as Dray talks to just go score.
Chip Tingle
2024-12-30 01:33:50 +0000 UTCHave to shoot the 3 well
Athletic Alchemy
2024-12-30 01:32:27 +0000 UTCThe thing about JK is that his BBIQ is very bad and that isn't something you can teach. He is like the anti-cp3. It has never been about his skills, many of which are off the charts. Since his rookie days, he still plays the same brand of basketball. That's why he is unplayable in the playoffs when the pressure is on and every possession counts. He freezes up because he can't read the game real time.
Chester Chan
2024-12-30 01:29:44 +0000 UTCThat's all Kerr fam.
ACowNamedStan
2024-12-30 00:41:05 +0000 UTCI would agree with this if it weren't for how many teams on a regular season schedule play so many different lineup styles nowadays. Ironically due to the "small ball" that the warriors made successful. And the problem with our old superstars is that they don't "get up" for regular season games so we have to make *more* adjustments and more styles to stay afloat thru 82 games. There's matchups where a lackadaisical steph with Dennis/GP2 and a shooter kinda makes sense. We paradoxically both changed the expectation around lineups and also don't have a set lineup to compete with it
yan't get right
2024-12-30 00:37:06 +0000 UTCi wonder if Kuminga gives enough respect to Steph?
Dial T for Tech
2024-12-30 00:36:40 +0000 UTCJonathan Kuminga has proven that he can score 34 on a night without Steph Curry and then 34 again on a BACK TO BACK with a RESTED steph curry in the lineup and people are still thinking that Steph needs a second option? Nah, man. Steph Curry YOU are the second option now, brother.
yan't get right
2024-12-30 00:26:02 +0000 UTCWhy is Kerr only playing tjd 23 mins when he’s playing that well ?
Oli
2024-12-30 00:11:47 +0000 UTCWTTB
Gsw4L
2024-12-30 00:03:44 +0000 UTCMy first patreon breakdown..NICE!!!
BlueJackson
2024-12-29 23:58:30 +0000 UTCGlad JK is becoming a two way player finally. He should be starting now. Dennis can come off bench, play more waters instead of Buddy. Buddy and Chef have some ridiculous TOs, please check what they are smoking.
Natto Santo
2024-12-29 23:53:18 +0000 UTCGreat showing in a must-win for us from young Simba. I'm going to turn back to the trade talk though -- I've been adamant we need Vucevic, and while I was envisioning him looking like Plumlee did out on the perimeter in this game, not gonna lie, the key is, we need to turn some of the people on our bench not moving the needle into something that can. There will be games and matchups where a stretch big who can score 15-20 for us would be all the difference, much more than what, giving Moses Moody or Gui some minutes and hoping for the best? Whether they trade Draymond or not is irrelevant (and I'd put odds on that happening at like 20 to 1 against), I still think we go for Vuc at all costs. We need his scoring and size to at least get us through the regular season with a winning record, especially since it's clear that Buddy's production is doing a disappearing act with his legs apparently cooked already.
Neal X
2024-12-29 23:34:43 +0000 UTCLooking at the plus/minus stats from bball reference it looked like we did so much worse last night anytime we had a 3 guard line up which makes me think we should always have 3 out of loon,trayce,dray,slomo,jk,wiggs on the floor and those 6 gives us a good C,PF, and SF combo for the starters and the bench... starting: trayce, dray, wiggs, Schroder, steph... bench: loon, slo-mo, jk, podz and lindy or buddy. Overall, I think we need to move away from the 3 guard line ups bc they can't give us the incredible offense that steph/klay/Poole gave us in 22' to out weigh the size and defensice issure, sure the lineups lack in spacing but I think we can make up for that by playing thru wiggs and jk while having bigger line ups for defense
Edward Jahen
2024-12-29 23:28:34 +0000 UTCDon't feel like reading the other comments if this was brought up, but THANK YOU UNC for that ending. Kerr has spent 3 years actively doing this crap with every young player. I get he came up in the 80s played with Mike, had Pop for a coach. I went to Arizona the year he graduated Lute Olson had a system too. We became Guard U and that is Steves Forte. I get it he has Steph but this isn't STEPH anymore time for evolution. JK TOOK till this week to C4 that damn door, he tried kicking it, pounding it, sledge hammering it and finally said fuck it, BRING ME THE EXPLOSIVES and Kerr has been knocked on his ASS FINALLY. Like you say he will recover and I hope we get to see JK wear the Dub Uniform because there are a handful of us on Discord that have been on his bandwagon and I want to continue whipping the horses like I been doing for about 2 years now here. Thanks for all your great content over that time. Glad I found you and all my buddies here. Happy New Years.
Anthony Berry
2024-12-29 23:23:57 +0000 UTCBest case scenario Kuminga is a mix of SGA and Giannis. I think he has the motor and the talent to get there. Ima need to see a 40 ball now, a trade for Vuc might have him looking like a bonafide star.
Diego
2024-12-29 23:23:51 +0000 UTCI got GP2 and Buddy for Johnson to work if Warriors send Moody to Detroit. Then Detroit could contribute to Brooklyn's draft capital. Kyle could be swapped in for Buddy as well
orion
2024-12-29 23:19:50 +0000 UTCI've been watching the NBA for a long time. There are elements of JKs game where he reminds me of a few superstars from past and present. The way he's able to play above the rim, a lot like young T-mac from his Toronto and Orlando days. His footwork from his fadeaway jumper, taken from Kobe. His ability to play bully ball and get to the rim, just like young Lebron. The people who are clamoring to trade JK to try and get Steph another ring is so short-sighted IMO. JK is only 22. Once Steph retires, marquee free agents are going to look around the league for the next player to team up with. Guess who that's gonna be? It's gonna be JK.
Jimmy Ji
2024-12-29 23:19:04 +0000 UTCUnk! Happy we finally got a W and finally JK getting his props I love what you said at the end of the video about Kuminga kicking the door down bc WE NEED him! But that being said I say this Cavs game is going to be interesting! I think we get the dub! But I could just be being a homer lol
Chris Thomas
2024-12-29 23:15:05 +0000 UTCI understand if my energy has been cracked for the past week or so, but I just keep note of the track records. I’ve seen Kerr quit on this kid vs the Kings in the playoffs 2 years ago, quit on him last year like that damn Denver game, and he quit on him this year twice first time the instant he got the chance to change the lineup and then after Dray said “start the kid” he gives you 20 a game and you aren’t tricking off 5 possessions to start a game and you still bench him. That’s 3 strikes and to me that means you’re full of shit, if you mean to tell me there’s a BETTER way to sap a players competitive spirit than what Kerr did I honestly think he’d pay you to tell him. I sat here too long watching everyone in this franchise from the front office, the coach, to the players (Dray) find a way to trick off our assets one by one, core vet or young guy, after a fucking ring so no I’m not exactly seeing roses after they’ve been bullshiting around for three years, but may have taken ONE step forward when it might just last 3 games total again. Yeah I know it looked good, but I’m confrontational and against relaxing because my biggest pet peeve personally has been a temporary peace that crumbles because a bigger reoccurring issue was basically a can kicked down the road to be tripped over later.
Sarcasm 360
2024-12-29 23:13:55 +0000 UTCWhen Kuminga drives, you get a sense of "oh nah I can't stop that" from the opposing team
Andrew Lee
2024-12-29 23:12:26 +0000 UTCWOOOOOOOOOOO KUMINGAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Irvin Mugo
2024-12-29 23:11:56 +0000 UTCDamn that ankle was literally 90 degrees
Nathan Glanzer
2024-12-29 23:09:56 +0000 UTCGreat Kuminga game! What are your thoughts on why Steve Kerr can’t seem to play draymond and slo mo in the same game? But yet always seems to play 4 or 5 guards throughout the whole game
Leopoldo Soto
2024-12-29 23:09:51 +0000 UTCThat coach bud stocking joke was fire 😂
Robert
2024-12-29 23:08:46 +0000 UTCLess Podz equals a win! Hope he gets better.. but less Podz increases the chance for a victory. This injury forced Kerr away from the 3 to 4 guard lineup in the 2nd half. I know unc said he doesn't pay much attention to the lineups during the analysis but it's important. The small ball lineup is why we were decimated in the 2nd quarter of this game. Less Podz increases the chance for victory.
Tail0rmade
2024-12-29 23:08:25 +0000 UTCThat ankle sprain had me grimacing like I was the one who sprained my shit
Diego
2024-12-29 23:07:49 +0000 UTCLove that Bolinas deep cut joke. We are teetering on the brink of a lost season just as much as PHX. But their dudes can’t stay healthy and Beal gotta be one of the worst contracts in the league
Gary
2024-12-29 23:07:48 +0000 UTCLove Dray gettin on Buddy, that's leadership like it or not
Andrew Lee
2024-12-29 23:06:00 +0000 UTCKyle GP2 Podz Moody and Looney, Cam Johnson’s contract can be matched with this can’t it? I don’t think Kuminga needs a stretch as much as you can’t have any big and then Dray not looking to score at once, Vuc at the rim is 70% opp FG% I’d rather not. Try Jonás, Wendell Carter, Thomas Bryant, or a Paul Reed for cheap
Sarcasm 360
2024-12-29 23:05:38 +0000 UTCSteph Dennis Wiggs JK Dray a fun lineup
Mitch Coob
2024-12-29 23:01:53 +0000 UTCWhat YouTube video?
G 2tha P
2024-12-29 23:00:33 +0000 UTCYeah, I’ve noticed that he’s been looking more lean past couple years than when we first drafted him as well.
A L
2024-12-29 22:56:40 +0000 UTCthey were the same size when they were 12-3 earlier this year. Size isnt the issue. Warriors shot selection is absolute trash. The number one priority needs to be getting something uncontested at the rim. if that isnt there, then a clean outside shot from a quality shooter. warriors seem to be hunting for contested 30 footers though
Adrian
2024-12-29 22:55:55 +0000 UTCIm callin cap on draymond. For one. he didnt even show up the night before. Because he insists on resting games when curry isnt out there. Also, didnt draymond have an around the back hand off that just went out of bounds. Draymond doesnt get to say shit until he plays 82 games in back to back yrs like Heild does.
Adrian
2024-12-29 22:54:15 +0000 UTCKuminga seems more lithe than I want him to be, might just be my eyes he’s still got that strength, but I swear he used to LOOK more imposing a few years ago while somehow being more imposing than he looked then
Sarcasm 360
2024-12-29 22:53:16 +0000 UTCNice timing just finished the YouTube video!
Nathan Glanzer
2024-12-29 22:50:42 +0000 UTCJK and TJD both making the argument for more minutes over Draymond.
BruceWayne
2024-12-29 22:49:46 +0000 UTCIt’s the cost of putting JK on the bench. To get more minutes for JK Kerr moves Draymond to the 5. We got seriously out rebounded in the 2nd, but the turnovers were the big problem in the 2nd Q.
BruceWayne
2024-12-29 22:48:34 +0000 UTCIsn't it exhausting to always be mad about something tho? Some times just enjoy the win brother
Athletic Alchemy
2024-12-29 22:47:10 +0000 UTCKuminga up next
Jordan Reitzes
2024-12-29 22:45:55 +0000 UTCPlay Trace 1st quarter 27 suns points, play him 2 minutes the next quarter 38 suns points. This isn’t hard Basketball analysis it’s just math. Found out how to use Kuminga, then forgot down the stretch over hunting Steph, just had no real faith in him, frankly though, who would they have faith in if they traded for them? Either way *he* still won the game. All I learned today was if Kuminga isn’t putting up Giannis stat lines might as well yank his minutes and touches around in favor of “experimentation” because to me this has always been what Kuminga looked like.
Sarcasm 360
2024-12-29 22:45:04 +0000 UTCWarriors to small! We were never this small at our best
Ravi Dissanayake
2024-12-29 22:43:51 +0000 UTC
