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Ongoing Survey feedback

Hey everyone, I wanted to make a thread to respond to the feedback I'm getting on the survey. If you didn't answear already and have a few moments to spare, I'd love to hear your opinion:  https://goo.gl/forms/CB223OD66jAODWni2

I'm reading every feedback that's given, so you are welcome to add yours.

Since we are at it, I'll already reply the most recurring topics:

- Structure of the faces and similarities.

This is something I'm trying to improve on each drawing. Part of the reason Iris was created was exactly to practice different facial expressions. But that doesn't really solve anything if the faces of different characters are too similar =p

It's surprisingly hard to do them differently. You can see in several artists that if you follow their work enough, you can recognise their "faces". To try to explain a bit better, imagine those actions that you do every day (the way you brush your teeth, how you hold a pen, the position you sleep etc). It's as if they are already programmed in you due to repetition and you have to make a conscious effort to change them.

So while I'm trying to change them, I'm unconsciously pulling them in the other direction, so it's a bit of a tug war. So it's definitely not a quick process as you'll suddenly see completely different faces from now on, but rest assured, I'm trying to change them, so expect to gradually see more variation in future drawings.

- Voyeur.

To be clear, I'm not entirely satisfied with how voyeur is. I like the idea, I love making the drawings, but I agree a 100% that some of them are not delivering. It's not like they are bad drawings, but some of them are more "improved pin-ups" than what you guys would expect from the voyeur tier.

The idea is to show a more "XXX" content and in some months it's just not happening. In a way I think I was too "conservative" with some characters, but rest assured it's going to be improved.

I'm thinking on more variations, possible sex scenes, better poses, bring in an extra character to the scene, etc. Content that is actually xxx and not "mildly more erotic". Voyeur definitely needs improvement. Not a "gradual improvement", but an actual improvement from now on.

But just to be clear on one thing, futa variants are still off the table. Maybe at some point I'll be confortable drawing them, but we are not there yet =p.

- Gumroad.

One thing that was requested by several people, from both patrons and people that are not patrons were an alternative to the patreon system. Without getting into a lot of details, some people have issues with patreon as a company or simply have issues with them in terms of credit card, billing etc. And they asked for a possible alternative to get the rewards.

So I'm studying the possibility of putting the a reward pack on gumroad as well. Rest assured that patreon would still remain the "best deal", since it's here that we get to interact, see the previews, talk about future stuff, vote in the polls and whatnot.

So what I have in mind initially is something like this:

- Rewards are sent on patreon at the beginning of the month.  
- After all rewards are sent, the "voyeur tier" will become available on gumroad for 1 week for 6-7$ (instead of 5$ here on patreon).
- After that week, it's removed from gumroad.

This way, there's an alternative for people who want it, but Patreon is still the best way to get the rewards.

Nothing is set in stone, but I'm considering something along those lines.




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I'm not going to go in detail on everything that was suggested since there's over a hundred replies, but rest assured I read everything you guys posted and there's a lot to think about.

This topic is not finished, I'll still add more feedback in the coming weeks, but I wanted to adress those 2 subjects since they were the biggest points on the survey.

Again, I'd love to hear your thoughts and I really appreciate the feedback and support you guys give me =)

Comments

Just repeat my feedback from comment ;) First of all i want to say that characters on your drawings do not have such similar faces, i can recognize your drawing among others but this is your style, your writing, not the similarity. Secondly, you have one big advantage: stunning, detailed and realistic backgrounds. Every your painting is a fragment of character's story, it is complete in all it's details. Also wrote a feedback but, to the older post (, can to copy it if it needed

thanksyou

Offf... seeing how sincere you treated the feedback/questionnaires. I feel so ashamed for taking the survey as an opportunity to make unreasonable demands and goofing through all the answers I submitted. I can't speak for all of your audience, but I don't see much issues with the art you create. Sure, some of the Voyeur pieces may be on a more timid spectrum, but I admired them all nonetheless. I understand for many of us, the erotic aspect played a substantial role in motivating us pledging our support to your work. I'd be lying if I say that I'm not enticed to see the carnal allure in your art receive more emphasis. Don't view your "conservative" nature being something you need to work to evolve away from, I think it is a very useful tool for you to provide diversity when it comes to the intensity of the erotic awe you want your artwork to arouse. Keeping it light and tasteful, not too overwhelming. Perhaps every now and then when you felt inspired, you can then make some exception and overwhelm our senses with all the beautiful carnal flavors you felt necessary for the particular artwork. What I meant to say is, sexuality is art, it's relationship with beauty is symbiotic. You, the artist alone knows best on its utilization and mastery in your art. Ye, that's 'bout it :P

Oh I really appreciate the feedback, it made me improve a lot over the years

Lee

Thanks for the update, Krys! It's nice to know that our feedback is being put to good use. Can't wait to see you make faces.

Faxmachinen

Not a bad idea, personalami did just that earlier this month. Unfortunately I didn't get to vote because all the polls were only a few hours and in the early morning. Damn time zones.

Faxmachinen

I just totally had a cool idea! (doesn't happen very often so you better enjoy this! :P). Just thought of a cool poll you could make for your patreon community. What if you were to create a new OC and have the fans/patreons vote on what attributes the new character should have? Like vote on the length of hair (short, long, middle, very short, very long), eye color, breast size, body type (skinny/petite, average, thic, athletic, built) ect. Do several polls a month on various physical attributes then when you've gathered enough choices by your fans come up with the new OC! :) I think it sounds kinda cool, what does everyone else think? Either way, just a suggestion on something fun to do in addition to the normal monthly polls.

Tucker Mapes

The image are larger and higher quality than what most webpages allow. On DA you get the regular 1080p images, and here you get them on 3-4k pixels. As for exclusive images it's a little counterproductive. If I can't advertise them on my social media, people won't look for it, share, get visibility and whatnot. And that's pretty much required for a system like patreon to work: more visibility you get = more people that might want to support your work. And with exclusive images, all that visibility is lost. For example, a lot of people that follow my work on a regular basis still don't know what the voyeur images are about, since all they see are loose previews here and there. As for images becoming more sexual, I don't see this happening here. In fact, I created the voyeur tier and separated it from the 3$ tier exactly so that people that want this kind of content, have a tier for that. And I simply can't remove the NSFW versions of the pin-ups from the 3$ tier and make them 5$ exclusive because it wouldn't be fair for people to get less content than what they used to get. And the pin-ups I really don't oversexualize them, at least not in an explicit or weird way. Sure, some of them are slightly sexier, but only when the context and characters allow for it. If anything, the SFW versions of the pin-ups are much better as SFW content than they were before. It's an actual scene that makes sense for the character. In the beginning the sfw was just the clothed version of the image. I did consider creating a different tier for SFW but I think it could get too confusing. People tend to assume the higher the tier, the more stuff you get. So it can be quite weird for people that you get a higher tier that gets you more stuff, but you also lose rewards that the lower tier has. And there's also the fact that I can't offer a "SFW only" version of the videos and PSD for example. But rest assured, I have zero plans to sexualize the SFW content. I'm quite happy with how the sfw versions of the drawings are, and really don't plan on changing them. I'm planning on fixing the voyeur images, which will have no effect on the SFW images I draw.

Lee

Here is a little story: When I decided to came to Patreon I was hoping to have bigger pictures and maybe more pictures than with DeviantArt. Dadon Fuga took the same decision as you: NSFW became more sexual, explicit, weird ... you name it. Than I stopped my support $10 to him. And I returned when he decided to create a tier without nsfw and more.

Dummy

I prefer to keep them apart. 70s pin-ups is a style that I can apply in the regular pin-ups if it fits the character. But it's not something that I would be able to apply to every character. I actually use a lot of classic pin-up references on Iris pin-ups, since it's a character that I have a lot more room to work with =D

Lee

Maybe you should change the voyeur to something like pinup drawing? I think 70’s style pinups will look awesome for many characters.

The thing is, it can't be a "hit or miss" thing. Voyeur has to always deliver. Like the pin-ups do. Some voyeur images were not at all differents from the pin-ups, and this is something I need to adress. Regardless if it's a sex scene, or an intimate scene, it has to be something you look at and say "that's a great voyeur image" and not an "extra nsfw pin-up".

Lee

Ah, I like that idea quite a lot, characters in those intimate moments like showering is a great idea. And there could be a nice balance between that and adding hints of explicitness, as an example, you have a character showering and she's caressing her own body, perhaps in some naughty places, but with the angle only giving us a teasing look. Like a character in a standing pose, her fingers reaching towards her pelvis but we're seeing them from the side so its only an indication. A character in the bath is similarly a fun idea where you could have bubbles that tease whatever is happening under the water.

Ciarán M

I have to agree with Ciarán here, there have definitely been a fair share of xxx voyeur paintings since you started. My only hope is that you don't exclusively do explicit voyeur paintings. Voyeur can also mean be paintings of characters at very personal moments as well (ie changing clothes or bathing/showering).

Chris Harris

Personally, I'm very happy with the work you put out and i like the Voyeur tier rewards that you've created. If it is the case of being concerned that you're not going hardcore enough, I suggest going back and looking at your Jaina Voyeur painting, that one was... quite naughty 😉. There was also Halloween Tifa who had quite the fun Voyeur scenario, I recall Catwomans being great too 😻. Suffice to say, since you're bringing up the topic, I'll be very interested to see how you handle Fury 😸. Like I said though, I love your work and I'm eager to see Camilla! 💜

Ciarán M


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