What should I do to serve you better ?
Added 2025-01-26 03:51:46 +0000 UTCUsually, I really don't want to disturb you guys with personal problems like this but the number of patrons has decreased so much for a long time so I really need some feedback from you guys.
I already tried everything. Making more detailed and complicated sets, switching fandom, etc... and even trying to draw more SFW work but it only makes you guys want to leave faster.
I am pretty clueless now so please let me know what you think.
Is it really necessary to draw such a detailed background since every time I did it someone quit. Should I try to focus on making lewd only and make the background simplest as possible in order to make more sets each month ?
Should I try to draw more trendy franchises or just stick only to the Hololive franchise ?
Whatever you want, please let me know.
The revenue has fallen too low. If it keeps being like this I can't pay the bill and live with just drawing anymore.
Thank you for your help !
- Hanada Yanochi
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Yeah, maybe making one set from another series to do PR and everything is vtuber will be the best choice I think. Since the background sounds like cherry on the top then i won't put too much time on it and focus on the making scenario for the lewd. Thank you for giving me advice, let's look forward to my future work.
花田やのち - Yanochi Hanada
2025-01-27 02:03:19 +0000 UTCWell, it's not that I am burnt out because I still have a lot of ideas to draw for you guys. It's just fear, man. Responsibility, the late deadline, amount of work each month and how to satisfy every fan. Every time I post something that took a lot of effort but only receive some lost patrons back makes me paranoid and it prevents me from trying. That is why I open this thread to ask you guys directly and I am surprised with everyone's feedback. In my case, it's more like a bottleneck than burnt out. About yuri and masturbation, I was afraid that the set was too plain so I didn't dare to try but since you suggested it and other fans also said try new things then i will make it. I can't try tentacle or more hardcore stuff but don't worry, there are always other ways to make things interestings. Well, without conservation like this, I can easily overthink everythings and make it worse. But now I understand what you want when supporting me so I can say I feel a bit confident back. Hope you will like my future work, I will adjust everything from now on. Thank you for giving advice !
花田やのち - Yanochi Hanada
2025-01-27 02:00:46 +0000 UTCIts a tough question, because Im assuming your current patreons are most likely ok with the direction you are going or/and like your art a lot. Personally I really like when you draw the holo girls, but I dont really mind if you dip out every once and then to draw more characters to bring in more people. And about the backgrounds, mm I personally dont care about them a lot but there are some you have drawn that are really neat and nice and its a great thing to have but maybe once in a while if it takes you too much time.
Jorge León
2025-01-26 23:02:35 +0000 UTCFirst, thank you for still working hard, even with everything that has happened to you. A lot of the other fans who have posted have already given great feedback, so I will try not to parrot what they have said. Personally, the detailed illustrations of the way you've drawn the characters is what drove me to become a paid member. I love the style, but I can see that you are starting to feel burnt out. I am onboard of really simplifying backgrounds/other characters (even lack of), or even just concentrating on the main character, blank backgrounds for the bonus rewards. I don't know how you feel about changing up the poses/fetishes again. I am a big fan of the way you drew Mar 2023 Calli because of how expressive/varied she looked during the blowjob. I know you mentioned the idea of some FFM, but how would you feel for lesbian/yuri or even masturbation scenes alone? I wouldn't push for anything too far, but maybe tentacle? For what it's worth, I insta-subbed because for your renditions of the Hololive girls (the June 2024 pack was why I joined, lol), but I fell in love with how you drew other IPs/Fandom faves (loved the gacha game girls, and really looking forward to your finished Kafka)
Silver Oliver
2025-01-26 21:11:30 +0000 UTCglad to have been able to provide some ideas!
Chooie6
2025-01-26 15:14:42 +0000 UTCYeah, the current state and late schedule seriously kill all freedom when I make art. I am trying to get rid of it. I understand your idea and that is what I tried to do when saying I want to make lewd to be lewd and SFW is SFW. Well, the result is a disaster and I lost a lot of patrons this month so I don't think I can do it. Besides, for some reason my twitter gets very little reach. I can easily get more than 40k reach when posting on reddit but I can only get 1-2k reach on twitter. That is why even if my artwork is good, you will never see any vtuber would use it because they simply didn't see it. Maybe I should create a new account but I don't think it would change anything. Some sfw and shipping content is seriously what I want to try. Maybe making a detailed background is even more troublesome than It should be. It took all my time to do anything else. Damn, now I want to make a threesome FFM set to test that idea you just suggested haha. It will be clearly interesting. Using background for sfw is a bad idea because you know... that will be me when I use 100% my potential. It will cost a whole month for just a piece but you will only receive a full detailed illustration in return. New outfit is a good point, I have been doing it and will continue to do it ! Thank you for suggesting your ideas, I am glad that you like what I have been doing and I will try new ideas in the future. Of course, I will make more posts like this to ask about what ship do you want me to do. It will be very interesting content for fandom.
花田やのち - Yanochi Hanada
2025-01-26 14:44:59 +0000 UTCThank you man, I hope so.
花田やのち - Yanochi Hanada
2025-01-26 14:18:52 +0000 UTCthats definitely a difficult question to face but starting off by asking definitely is the best way to start. from what i have seen you dont exactly have the leeway to go and reinvent your art style or something like that since you rely on this financially. i think your choice of characters is good i myself definitely prefer the hololive girls over gacha game characters. in terms of ideas i have seen a fair amount of holo fan artists that only drew sfw dip into nsfw and get a huge following from it so perhaps the reverse? what i mean by that i dont think i have seen your art used by hololive girls for stream thumbnails so perhaps making some sfw art with and without a background and posting it on their twitter in their art hashtags as a way to advertise yourself with links to your "f-site and p-site" in your bio. if i had to make another suggestion it would be in terms of content nothing wrong with sex scenes but sometimes you gotta try new ideas right? just as an example within hololive many fans ship certain girls together and i know that if you did a set of nerissa and elizabeth doing the girl on girl thing there is a bunch of girls on twitter that would loose their minds over a kiss that could be tagged #bloodraven for them to find it. things like arts of the girls new outfits would be a good way to bring people in too. keeping up the passion is important but remember to watermark your public stuff so that ai doesnt steal it. as for backgrounds being able to do them well is something not everyone can do but perhaps use them more for sfw works and less or simpler ones for nsfw works. as for character choice in general i obviously have my bias but say sticking to the main groups you like and having a single set of a trend character might be a good idea. anyway that about sums up my thoughts
Chooie6
2025-01-26 12:45:22 +0000 UTCJust here to show my support, hope you find the answer soon.
司徒希
2025-01-26 09:54:32 +0000 UTCRest assured, I will! I'm glad my support can reach you! Whatever path you take, I know you'll do your best. Nerissa is lovely so I don't blame you for that one! And honestly I would love to see you draw Mythra and Pyra some time. Like you said, lots of fun long term plans; in the mean time, I'm sure to enjoy whatever you do in the near future as well. Keeping the background at a certain level and pouring the extra effort into the lewd scenarios sounds like a good approach worth trying.
Toastywafflz
2025-01-26 08:47:54 +0000 UTCThank you, maybe at least I should take a try. I will try to ask like the way you said next time. Hope people don't get annoyed with it. I will also keep trying my best on each drawing then.
花田やのち - Yanochi Hanada
2025-01-26 06:47:51 +0000 UTCYou are right. I have never expected this to come from you but I'm glad that you accept the quantity over quality scenario. The biggest fear is that fans don't support that idea so I hesitated a lot. How about doing it both ways? One month quality and one month quantity. I am at the level that I can do anything already. Following trends is a must nowaday I think. If I can get used to quick drawing skills then I can finally do it with less effort. This is interesting. I will think this through and make a poll later. Thank you very much for your advice !
花田やのち - Yanochi Hanada
2025-01-26 06:41:45 +0000 UTCNah, you comment on every post and your current support is more than enough man. Please don't overthink about it, I really am not trying to ask for funding with this post. You can call it a customer survey if you want. I have never done it before so I just made one so I can be sure that the content I am doing matches with the supporter's desire. Yeah, doing trendy franchises lately surely help me gain a bit of PR again but I will keep one set for it only. Most people come here for vtuber so it's the best I will keep doing it. After looking back at the timeline, I notice that every time I focus on making smooth lewd, the number of patrons increases more than the month I try my best to make a detailed background. So I am wondering if I should keep the background at acceptable quality and spend more effort on making scenarios for the lewd. I think you guys will love it better than full illustration. Actually I am simping for Nerrissa now ( lol ) but well, I will try to come back to Calli next month. Some Fate's character could be great but I will have to manage time to do it. With the current late schedule, I can't think of anything straight ; v; Well, I can do the background with acceptable quality you know. Actually work before 2023 was all like that. The high detail is just lately because the decrease of patrons makes me panic and try to work harder but it does not work. Please don't think that I will throw you some shitty quality and call it a day. My pride as an artist won't let me do that although many times I want to do it for the benefit of algorithms. For whatever reason, I can be sure to you that everything I make is quality enough for you to enjoy. No worries ! Drawing niche characters that not everyone draws requires you to be famous first. By that way, you can have some views from your fans first then it can spread to others. For my case, too bad it's pretty hopeless. I tried it in 2023 with some Blue Archive characters but nearly got very little views though. To be honest, I really want to draw Mythra and Pyra from Xenoblade Chronicle 2 for a VERY long time but I have never had chance to draw them because I afraid you guys won't like it T.T About OC things, maybe at least after I finish the visual novel game first. We really need a boost first bro. It will be a long term plan. Last, thank you for such longing comments again. Please keep doing what you are doing. That is a big support to me already I think !
花田やのち - Yanochi Hanada
2025-01-26 06:32:11 +0000 UTCI know you've stated it in the past that you didn't like to do trends often, but I think that is the best way to grow your platform. Seeing what's popular, like characters and series could really help. Also, simplifying your illustrations can reduce the amount of work that goes into each peace which allows for more. Maybe scale back the detailed backgrounds? You're very much a quality over quantity artist, but it seems like lots of others are the opposite and are able to have a bigger reach because if it. Lots of these go against what you do, but if you really wanna grow, I think these ideas could steer you in the right direction
Ultra
2025-01-26 06:23:06 +0000 UTCI see what you mean. You definitely put a lot of detail into your work; it shows.
SilverYoru7
2025-01-26 06:06:10 +0000 UTCThank you for your kind words man. I can't be more happy that my effort was recognized. All those works from day to night wasn't in vain. Hearing this gives me more motivation to keep drawing it. Once again, thank you very much !
花田やのち - Yanochi Hanada
2025-01-26 06:04:49 +0000 UTCWell.. you know, I can't make rakugaki or quick sketches. Everytime I work, I spend hours finding references and preparing the ideas very carefully in order to make everything work perfectly. To be honest, I got seriously OCD when leaving the sketch undone like that man. It's such a waste to not complete those ideas and regret every time I see it. But I will try to post sketches or WIP more often. I was afraid to spoil the fun to you guys but well.. I shouldn't let you guys wait too long without anything. Hoyoverse is pretty good to PR myself since it got more views than others. But I will only do one set per month from now on. Our main audience is still vtuber, I got that.
花田やのち - Yanochi Hanada
2025-01-26 06:02:22 +0000 UTCYeah I understand that. It may be possible to word it in a way that doesn't require them to answer if they don't want. For example the message I got from another creator I used to support was "Thank you for the support, may i ask about the cancellation reason? to see if i can improve/fix it". What's the predominant reason people have put down on the survey as to why they leave? The survey can be skipped, so I wonder how many people actually do it? Unfortunately without knowing why people are leaving, you're kind of "shooting in the dark" right now. Personally I'm quite happy with what you're doing now. I don't really know what more you can do.
YabaIRyS
2025-01-26 06:02:10 +0000 UTCEvery year the ai situation gets worse, is truly bad that someone said that to you. You truly loves what you do,so is fine if always make with your best, even if the people dont believe you, even if its harder than the people believes, thanks for still drawing all these years yanochi, i wish you every success
pedro medina
2025-01-26 05:17:20 +0000 UTCHmmm... it is hard to say. I have really enjoyed your art for quite a while. Maybe occasionally post sketches of a character unrelated to the main set. Just an idea. Sometimes I see other artists do that. You are very talented so it's frustrating to see you in this situation. Your recent Hoyoverse sets are really good!
SilverYoru7
2025-01-26 05:03:44 +0000 UTCThis is tough. I don't know what the best option would be, and part of that is because I'm kind of beyond the target audience of this question because I'm happy with all of your efforts and I just want you to be able to do what you want to do. If I were in a better place financially myself, I'd just give what I could to make up the difference and tell you to do whatever your heart desires. Maybe one day...but I want to help if I can, even if just a little bit, so I can at least speculate as to what might help. I think playing more into trendiness would probably help to some extent. I don't really play a lot of the games that tend to become big hits in artist circles, so I end up learning about them when I notice a bunch of art being made of characters I've never seen before. Burnice from ZZZ, for example, seems to be pretty hot right now. You did her, and she looked fabulous, so it's not like you haven't hit trendy characters. I mean, hololive has always been pretty trendy, right? So maybe that alone isn't enough? Maybe you could look at what you did during the timeline, the high and low points, and see what grabbed peoples' attention? You used to do a lot of Fate characters; I think it would be really fun to see you draw some of them today with all of the things you've learned, so maybe that's another option to consider? Fate's always pretty big. December 2021/January 2022 definitely skews heavily towards Holo EN though. I think your Calli works have always been really popular. Coming back to hitting trends, it could just be a matter of timing. Striking while the iron is really hot, your work being one of the first for the next big thing could make a difference. Maybe quantity IS a factor? If only because it gives you more chances to expose your work to people who might be interested but somehow haven't seen it for some reason, or more chances for artwork to ride the algorithm. I'm not the best with these things. I think some of your options there could be focusing more on lewd and simplifying the backgrounds (that would really be a shame imo), or sort of leaning more into the direction you were taking with the most recent pieces and having big multipart sets with multiple poses focusing on a specific scenario or something like that. In other words, you can try removing complexity to draw more lewd, or minimizing the complexity by making backgrounds reusable with multiple pieces in the same setting or something like that. That being said, it doesn't feel good if you sacrifice the quality too much; but you've also learned a lot and improved different things, so the "low quality" you could put out today is still a higher quality in a way, since you can apply what you've learned where possible. And there's also the possibility that you could go the opposite way, and pick more niche characters that you like that don't have a lot of art for them. That could get attention from people who aren't able to find what they like as easily as people who are just happy to have a thousand different artworks of popular characters. Then it's like, "hey this guy draws a bunch of characters I like that I don't see every day, that's awesome and different." In a way there's less competition so if there's a core to be found there they'd be more likely to stick around with less alternatives available. Maybe there's something to be said for original characters as well? I don't know if that's something you've considered or wanted to do but that could be fun. I'm not sure how helpful that is to the immediate problem but I wanted to throw that out there. Designing a character is a different challenge altogether but if people really like it you become the primary source of content for that, so I guess it's worth thinking about. You were recently starting to experiment with doujinshi and stuff like that. I think there's something to be said for things with a story, too. That's a thing that can bring its own audience, who become invested in your characters AND the lewd scenarios that come as well. All of that being said, I'm happy with whatever you do, so I just want you to be able to enjoy your drawing and also figure out the best way to continue to be able to focus on it. I really wish I could help more with that but ironically I'm too invested to be useful since I don't really understand myself why people wouldn't want to stick around, and I'm not rich either. I'll let you know if that changes so you can stop worrying about it :P. Hopefully talking some of this out can help a little, though.
Toastywafflz
2025-01-26 05:01:27 +0000 UTCYeah, AI art is overflooded everywhere and there are people who retouch AI works that make it nearly impossible to be detected. Things are so bad that someone even says my hard work on reddit is AI because it has a detailed background. AI arts really wear down people's belief that good art can be done with just effort, so even if I tried my best, everyone wouldn't be able to enjoy it like they were before. Anyway, thank you for your recognition. I am glad that my efforts weren't in vain and my fans still support me to do it. I really hope the financial situation will recover soon. It has been 3 years already. I hope everyone is doing well.
花田やのち - Yanochi Hanada
2025-01-26 04:45:42 +0000 UTCI think, the reason could be, everyone has financial problems so, they no have more choice to cut sometings to make sure to pay the bill. Another reason could be the situation with the ai drawings, because to today, in whatever media, its saturated with that type of drawing, and there are so much competition, with the artists and ai artist. An the last reason could be the problems with the medical bill. I love you drawings, they are so well made, that you can see, you put so much time an passion to make them, every works of you is perfect, to bad that your patreons are decreased so much, i hope you can have more subscribers again
pedro medina
2025-01-26 04:35:23 +0000 UTCWell... I don't want to put patrons who want to leave in an awkward position or feeling bad when they leave. Patreon has a survey option to tick why they leave already so trying to push harder may be pretty rude I think. I just want to ask who is still supporting what contents they want so that i can feel at ease to draw more for them. It includes you though. Maybe another set for Irys soon ? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
花田やのち - Yanochi Hanada
2025-01-26 04:24:41 +0000 UTCYou could try messaging the patrons that have left and ask them why they left and how you can improve. I've been messaged by other creators on Patreon before, asking why I stopped my support.
YabaIRyS
2025-01-26 04:18:15 +0000 UTC
