Episode 20: Jared Leto: Portrait of an Artist

This one being locked being the Patreon wall got me to subscribe and it sure didn’t disappoint. More series on Hollyweird and Silicon Valley creeps

michael benham

My one reservation is that Leto's a pretty damn good actor in 2 great movies - "Mr. Nobody" and "Requiem for a Dream"

Dogface Reilly

Who are those 2 people?

Dogface Reilly

Agree on the PTK/McGowen thoughts. The fact that Zappa, Jim Morrison, Stephen Stills etc... had fathers connected to the Chemical weapons / the Military and Intelligence is a big nothing burger when you realize that during WW2 practically EVERY adult male of their parent's generation in the USA served in the military in some capacity. And if their fathers were educated they could avoid becoming cannon fodder by getting into communications, cryptology, officer training programs, intelligence, psy-ops - the white-collar segment of the military industrial complex.

Dogface Reilly

You mentioned posting some photos of Leto's use of Azov glyphs and the like and to remind you if you didn't post them. Would love to see those! Couldn't find any on the 30 secs merch site and those horrific bright colours and vapid wellbeing slogans might drive me over the edge if I keep looking. Only thing that stood out was that very odd photo book with a bunch of alphabet agencies listed on it for no discernible reason. Top work btw.

Ash

As an aside, does anyone else find Thirty Seconds to Mars' actual music incredibly creepy? I haven't really listened to much beyond the clips on the show and occasionally overhearing it on radio of TV, but it has a highly-produced, brain-worm quality to it. That sort of soaring, operatic, high-register sound... There's an episode of Subliminal Jihad (another great pod) where they spoke about how basically all popular music is produced by literally two people, which accounts for the incredible 'sameness' you hear in modern pop. If you accept that Leto and his whole career as an op, then there's zero chance that his music does not contain the music industry/CIA's best attempts to experiment with music subliminally. It's exciting because we're actually living through this experiment knowingly - we tend to discover the true extent of ops retrospectively and then have to piece things together e.g. MK Ultra. Genuinely interested to see where this all leads.

Michael David

Love the episode mate, keep it coming. I enjoy the self-contained examinations of smaller topics to break up the longer series.

Michael David

Here for the McGowan chat haha - his depth of research is incredible but I think he tends to get out over his skis a bit and tries to cram too many examples. His general thesis statements are solid, but then he grasps a bit for conclusions - whereas with Tom O'Neill's Chaos, he just lays it all out and doesn't necessarily draw a definitive conclusion, which is a more rational response to his research. PTK completely drowns you in horror to the point where you just want the book to be over - he cites 50 examples whereas a dozen would suffice. If even 10% of what he cites is accurate its horrifying enough.

Michael David

Many thanks. I cut it for time but I also had a big tangent about the current era of superhero franchises and reboots reflecting this same trend, venture capitalists forcing success by spending so much money on marketing these things that they can't fail anymore, and smuggling ruling class ideology into them at the same time. Leto strikes me as someone from this crowd, let's call it "Hollyweird", who got a little sloppy and showed his hand with the cult and the casual shout-outs to regime change ops. John Krasinski, who similarly wouldn't really have the clout he does in a genuinely meritocratic industry, hasn't had as much attention for his own strange relationship with the oligarchy and intelligence cos I think he defused it early on by blatantly saying "the CIA own actually and I love them." And also he didn't form a cult, which always helps you keep a lower profile.

pinballa

Also hit the nail on the head re McGowan and XR

Bob Kelly

I think you nailed it. Leto as failed start up was like a light bulb going off. Its literally Tesla promising cars but keep pushing it back and asking for more money. I could have gone the rest of my life without hearing 30 secs to Mars but your proper lashing of them made them tolerable, noe that's a compliment

Bob Kelly

fantastic ep mr. pinballa

Jimothy Realname

I will say the opening hundred pages or so of PTK are brutal but incredible, but yeah the obsession with dates is very trying. You see it a lot with other similar researchers too. I always think it hits as weird and off-putting.

pinballa

Also totally agree with your assessment of David McGowan’s Laurel Canyon book. Maybe it’s just not the flavor of ‘conspiracy’ that I’m into, but I also found his tendency of pointing out that things occurred on equinoxes or Halloween eve or whatever unconvincing

This was a great episode!

YES I am so excited!

L

Hell yes

Brendan Garcia