Greatest Peaks Ep. 6 | Michael Jordan 1989-91

On the 66% passing conversion, how much of that 34% of missed opportunities could be chalked up to either MJ's court vision, gunner's mentality, or lack of trust that his big man teammates will be able to finish outside of Grant. Cartwright, Perdue, and King could not finish like the bigs from the '80s Celtics and Lakers.

Victor, true although in the actual backpicks breakdowns I believe Bron and Shaq are the only two players he mentioned who could have an argument for "best peak" even though judging solely by CORP MJ is slightly ahead.

Thanks for the summary. I went back and read the "Greatest Player Ever" profile and saw that Ben brought up how we often underrate longevity & overvalue peak. The idea of largely being GOAT agnostic is instructive in that it depends more on what we choose to value more in the argument for Michael, LeBron, Kareem, and Bill. I personally find career value calculations (High peak & sustained MVP level performance) a better way to determine the Goat. So LeBron would be my #1. Although, I see the argument for the other 3 as strong and legit.

On his BackPicks site, MJ had the highest CORP seasons from '89 to '91...meaning MJ had the highest peak. And the updated Top 40 list has LeBron ranking above MJ in terms of career value.

Hey Ben, love the whole Thinking Basketball ecosystem. Your work has expanded my critical thinking in terms of thinking about our cognitive processes and how they can bias us, measuring value, examining statistics (for basketball and in general) researching history as a means to understand the present, and I specifically love your concept of championship equity-- which emphasizes a player's lift to a team while not solely focusing on individual player measurements like points per game. Thank you for Thinking Basketball, and I will definitely continue to support. I do have one question: Do you make a distinction between the phrases "greatest player of all time" and "greatest career of all time"? I see this distinction appearing more often now in mainstream media, esp. in the Michael v LeBron debate. Personally, I see these phrases as different ways of saying the same thing when it comes down to evaluating the very best. Wanna know what you think though.

Maneiro mesmo. Abraço, tmj!!!

Sou de Natal po, sempre dei valor a basquete e quando encontrei o canal desse cara nunca mais larguei kkkkk. Bom ver que mais gnt daqui ta curtindo um conteúdo de qualidade também, abraço ai 🤙🏼🤙🏼

Haha yes, I can see how confusing my response would be. Jacob has the right answer -- it's the 17, 18 and 20 playoffs. The data set is '55-19 (I made this during the lockdown), and then added LBJ's '20 in right after the Finals because it represents a high point. That might be a weird choice to only do that for one player, but it eclipsed his '18 mark that used to be on the screen.

3yr stats so thats 17, 18 and 20 playoffs combined

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I laughed out loud at the Mario 2 footage haha. Never stop making these videos Ben!

Highest peak ever

Oof. The "Take a shot every time Ben makes a football analogy in a basketball video" game was not kind to me today.

https://i.imgur.com/Za6tzP2.png ?

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I gotcha. I also would like to add that I think 2009 is LeBron's best defensive season by a considerable margin too, which is why I am so high on it.

'20 isn't included.

i think like he mentioned in the top scorers revisited podcast, Ben's main issue with that particular scoring run isn't the ECF vs orlando, it's that the two previous rounds came against uninspiring competition, making it hard to anoint it as definitively the greatest scoring run ever FWIW though, that playoffs was one of his peak playmaking seasons as well with career low turnovers (aside from being a scoring masterclass), pretty insane by Bron

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Yeah I've heard the argument but don't necessarily buy it when I look at the series as a whole. Lebron got to the rim at will and drew and absurd amount of fouls. And that Cleveland offense was really good against the Magic so it's not like the Magic's defense worked. The Cavs' defense was the issue in 09. I also think some credit has to be given for the fact that the Magic thought he was potent as a playmaker that they were afraid to bring too much help.

Stan Van Gundy said that he was okay with Lebron scoring a lot therefore it negates his entire statistics breaking 2009 playoff run apparently, at least Ben said something to that effect.

Great vid...09 Bron laughs at him though.

I am afraid he will be the peak number one

also quick question- isn't '20 James's passer rating at 14:11 supposed to be 9.4? or are the backpicks.com metrics a bit off

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words cannot express how hyped I was for this :D

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