Attack on Titan 4x16 | Full Length Reaction
Added 2025-11-04 21:00:04 +0000 UTCPIECK EPISODE!!! 🔥
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hey bud, so i actually apprreciate your own take on this. I shared my take above (it's kinda long too) but i actually used to think the same way as you, and after some while i think zeke's plan is flawed. It's a nice THOUGHT in THEORY, but it ultimately is a fallacy in itself. If you want to discuss peacefully (no rocks or tomatoes hahaha) then i'm happy to pick your brain. And thank you for sharrirng your opinion! All opinions, in my opinion, are welcome, if they're to help improve communications and enjoying this story!
Cyber
2025-11-07 02:51:06 +0000 UTCOk.. This is going to get long and heavy: I'm going to draw some comparisons below, just please be aware of trigger warning here, and please understand it's for showing how nuanced this is when you rremove the "titan" fantasy part out of it, but i mean it all with respect to all cultures and groups, as i have my own as well: So here's my nuanced take on the Euthanization plan. When I originally heard it, I was like "oh right, that's probably a good way to resolve this" but then i started thinking more about it... who decides "what group of people dont deserve to exist" anymore. Whether it's a representation of black communities, or middle eastern, or latinos, or even people with different religious beliefs or allergies or like "mutants" or "xmen" etc, or elves or dogs or cats, or Men or Women or Autistic/ADHD people, or u know.. Titans/Eldians, etc... Why do the people of this group have to be forced to do anything for just existing? What have they, at a single unit level, done to be "eradicated" or have their bodies modified. It reminds me of those people who used to do the "pray the gay away" or "lobotomy camps" where they would torture or modify people's bodies or spirits or conditioning trying to change who they are. Or people that currently try to force their religion on others or talks about pro or against abortion etc... Who are YOU, as a "group" to make the choice to affect everyone else based on YOUR beliefs or preferences. , u know? The whole problem here is that there is a "Us" vs "Them" situation. Once that "Them" is gone, it could be another "Them" another day, it's a cycle of "my way or the highway" even if it SOUNDS peaceful. I mean look at some extreme christians now when they talk about muslims being warmongers, but they forget what christians did during the crusades, or all the drama that happened between japan and china and South Korea etc... History is bloody and ugly and has casualities on both sides, and it's written by the winners and challenged by the survivors. Not a SINGLE person in this community or ANY community, if you go back in history long enough, is "pure" as all cultures have had their best and their worst be drawn out from conflict, no matter what flag or label they lived under... So who is to decide that "now" is the time that X group is suddenly the victim of Y group, whether a few years ago it would have been the other way around , and in a few years from now, it would have been maybe a third group etc... what makes it that NOW this groups gets to be "victim claiming their right" vs "the opressor getting their just desserts" , especially if they'rre rnot even their own sins they're paying for , but the sins of their ancestors... It's just a matter of time before this cycle repeats again, and those who wish eldia to be eradicated now, what if they were the next eldia... even hte middle eastern forces and marleyans were at war with eachother while eldia was isolated, so it's not like marleyans and other global nations were in pure PEACE while eldia was quarantined... conflict still exists... so who decided that it was only eldians that were to be punished for being the "face" of that conflict.. thats not how that conflcit will go away... it just makes more to conflict about. People who are eldian who didn't do anthing other than being born into the world, are being punished for something they have no control of, and denied one of their rights as a creature and their choice taken away from them because of someone ELSE's beliefs, not because of what THEY individually want. Heavy topic indeed, so please be respectful or mindful when replying to this thread, folks, but yeah that's when Zeke's "euthanization" plan started to crumble. Not to mention that, let's put aside the the titan powers for a second. Let's use a real life example to showcase how "not peaceful" it is for this plan to happen: imagine right now that everyone hates Asians, or middle easterns or whites or black people etc. Now imagine that the whole world (i'm going to use very stereotypical fallacies as an example, please understand i mean that with outmost respect)... But imagine a grorup or majority collectively decided: hey, those asian folks are always winning all math prizes out there, we should get rid of them so that have a chance at winning those math prizes. But if you go into an all out war with all asians, it's a whole world collateral damage on all sides and never ending... but now imagine someone presses a button and makes all asians unable to have kids... but the HATE and RESENTMENT to asians DOESNT go away, because people have this collective generational trauma about asians winning all the math prizes... then when the population of aisnas goes from billions to millions to thosuands, to 100s.. all of which are not young anymore, what's to stop those same people who hated asians back then from just coming in when their "collective group" is much much smaller over the years and THEN do atrocities and actual genocide now that the "collective mass" of "they're too many" is no longer an obstacle. That's what Jean was saying last episode. And Yelena was saying "yeah but until the last eldian or titan or in my shitty example , all asians are older and last one kicks the bucket, then we just have to threatten them that anyone who steps on asian land, they step on legos." Sure it's a big diterrant, but ultimately you're still putting people in a cage instead of trying to solve the problem of hatred. The hatred never went away... This is why this show is so good, even when writing this huge block of text, it felt uneasy sometimes to draw those comparisons (again, sorry about that), but this show manages to talk about VERY heavy topical conversations by the medium of anime, and letting people see the "greyness" of it all, and to have their own opinion without judgement, and evreyone from AoT fans should welcome other opinions and let them share those opiniosn with you, not to chcange your opinion, or you to change theirs, but to "unlock bonus content/perspectives" that you may not have seen before... and see more of the story!
Cyber
2025-11-07 02:47:43 +0000 UTCNot defending Zeke’s plan, but we do need to point out that so called "euthanazation plan" is a plan to get rid of the "Titan Problem" itself. The way I define the "Titan Problem” in AOT is this: basically, that no matter how peaceful, reasonable, or morally decent an Eldian may be, the rest of the world sees them as living weapons of mass destruction. The ability to turn into Titans isn’t just a cool power-up — it’s a built-in doomsday device. Even if every Eldian alive today swore they’d never use it, that lingering possibility is enough to keep every other nation in a constant state of fear. And you can’t have diplomacy when one side is always thinking, “Yeah… but what if they transform?” It’s like trying to negotiate trust while someone’s holding a live grenade and saying, “Don’t worry, I probably won’t pull the pin.” That’s why the cycle keeps repeating: no matter how much Eldians try to integrate, prove themselves, or change public perception, the world’s response always collapses back into containment, oppression, or outright extermination. It’s not personal, in the political sense — it’s structural. Eldians are never seen as just another culture or nation; they’re seen as a permanent existential threat. So any diplomatic “solution” ends up being fundamentally asymmetrical: one side is asking to live freely, and the other is asking them to exist only under strict control or not exist at all. And you can’t build peace on a foundation like that — all you can do is delay the inevitable conflict. So, as horrendous as Zeke’s plan is — the literal erasure of an entire people who arguably do (or don’t?) have the right to exist — from the outside world’s perspective, it would solve 2,000 years of bloodshed in one clean stroke. Please don’t throw rocks at me, everyone. :)
André Carvalho
2025-11-06 19:06:39 +0000 UTC
