Patreon, R&P Q&A #216 : Week 17

Hey Jorge, since you posted late, after he already addressed this post, take a look out for the one coming up. Rian is gonna post it directly above this one, and simply just post the same thing on there, and your message will be addressed by Rian directly. The community tab is usually pretty dead, we only use this tab here. Looks like he hasnt posted the new livestream link for the upcoming session yet but he should soon, since the session is upcoming Friday (New Post should be up on the day before I hope) I'll also give you my two cents for what you wrote. Dude, you clearly consumed too much Bullshit Red-Pill content, you are spewing out Buzzwords that dont mean anything in the context that you say them in. I'm no authority figure on anything, so take everything I say with a grain of salt. That being said, I'm going to dissect the most important things that I noticed: 1. You are what you pull. If your girl is a 6.5, you are a 6.5. If you can pull better, your reference for yourself is now that, because it is directly related to your resuults instead of your own ego. Simple as that. 2. Did you actually READ/listen to all the full (audio)books in the sidebar or did you just watch the Videos on the books? The fact you are unsure how to communicate to women what you want, and ask whether you should directly rub it in their noses that "you are number 3" (Don't do this) is a red flag to me and makes me think you didnt learn many fundamental things yet, especially communicating with subtext and with social intelligence. Which books exactly Did you read? 3. One thing that doesnt make sense is that you state out of the gate you have a rotation of 3/4 girls - later you ask how to spin plates. If what you say is true, you already are. Spinning plates is dating multiple women (non committedly). YOUR QUESTION IS NOT: How do I spin plates? IT WAS: How do I get the women I'm dating to Accept/Validate that I'm spinning them. And that is the WRONG Question to ask. I ask you this. Why do you need to discuss it with them? If THEY ask you if youre dating around, you can say yes. To Women generally, it is attractive to know that others want you too- but dont rub it in their face. If the woman doesnt like it, they dont have to be with you, and you dont need to convince them to be okay with it. If you are dating 3-4 girls at the same time/periodically seeing them, you will be busy either way, and the other women will recognise you have a busy life. If they ask you to commit to them, and you don't want to: Guess what: Say thats not the kind of thing youre looking for right now, if you dont want to be with the person. Why is the Main girl your main girl if you she is not what youre looking for? She doesnt need to be your main girl. Does a "dominant" Man need to look for "good" reasons to demote her to not be the main girl anymore? Why dont you just do that? The only explanation I have is because you dont want to lose the available pussy she is giving you, and that tells me you still have a scarcity mentality. You say, among other things, you "stopped caring", and started "being dominant". The first thing I read is you saying your issue is you have a main girl that you don't want to marry and dont want to have children with. So? Where is the problem? Then don't marry her, and dont make her pregnant. Is she on your ass about it? Has the topic come up in conversations? "I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH HER, been with her from Blue Pill days (2 years) and her desire grows stronger for me. THE ISSUE IS SHE IS..." Dude, you are clearly attached to the woman and you do care, and I think you should stop deluding yourself about how little you care. Another thing I ask you is: Why do you have a problem with her being 31? Because you've been constantly hearing how bad women above 30 are, fertility blah blah blah? You say you don't want kids until youre 40 anyways, so what does it matter in the now? Why is there an issue big enough that you wrote an entire paragraph on some random guys' Patreon on the Internet? If youre confident enough in yourself to pull a young women when you do want kids when youre older, dump your "main girl" (who is still technically your plate by the way, so where is the panic about marriage and kids coming from?) and find a newer, hotter, younger woman (And for gods sake dont jump into it like a lemming) But I bet, you can't just dump your main girl, because youre too attached. So, that doesnt make her your plate. I think you have a case of some Oneitis for your main girl and fuck other girls to soothe your Ego about how Dominant and red pill you are and how little you care. Even if I'm technically wrong about that point, think how far am I really from being right. About connection with "Red Pill" Men: Don't worry so much about Red Pilled Men. Try just MEN first. You'll be able to along fine with most, just try to dodge the overly obnoxious social justice warriors. You mentioned a Boxing Club, thats great. Try inviting your sparring partner for a drink after training, and just have fun, man. Dont talk about fucking political or red pill. Male friends are there for you to talk about things you like, and for nerding out (if the other person is into the same stuff as you are) I'm sure Rian can give you some heads up how to write proper field reports for Patreon when he sees your post. Heads up, I'm pretty sure you're gonna get shit on. And thats okay, everyone does when they start out. We're all here to become better. Good luck!

Dr. Adonis Vas

Hi Rian, and all. Rian, thank you for the Side Bar. I'm Joey, 34, single, in Sydney Australia. I've finished the side bar, just closing up on Manipulated Man. I've been RP journey about 12 months intensively, mainly feeding from Rollo and FnF, not so much FnF anymore (i'm out of the anger phase - i think). Prior to this I guess I'd self describe as a blue pill alpha. I was influenced a lot by Peterson, Sam Harris, logic, being 'smart' but got bogged down and a bit spurgy - things being true but not good for me.... eg reasoning a woman into bed... discussing Fight Club, etc. After a dry spell 12 months ago, for 12 months (I did have a main plate but wasnt taking it seriously) I was going lone wolf (mistake made, lesson learnt) in RP and focusing on my art career and creativity. I'm in a much better place, loosing nice guy tendancies, cold approaching, being dominant, not caring, and spending more time doing what I want to do. The fork in the road I am facing now is around Frame/Game and how to spin plates like a jedi. I have a 3/4 girl rotation. I have a main girl who I've been clear with I sleep with other girls and she turns a blind eye to it. She is the good girl type/'hell yes' girl. Helpls me in anyway I need. I have no issues with her, been with her from Blue Pill days (2 years) and her desire grows stronger for me. The issue is she is 31 yrs old and a 6.5 SMV, (I'm 34 years old), I'm an 8 SMV. I dont want to get married and I dont think I want children until I'm a tleast 40 (if at all - i really cant decide right now), which by then is risky with a girl this old, and I'm also not super attracted to her although she is easy to be with and brings value to my life. I'm sure I can replace her, but I havent found a reason to drop her. I also know that in a year or so (the rate I'm self actualising/improving) I can pull much better looking women, younger women, who if I decided to, would rather impregnate. So, how do I spin? Rollo's PlayersHandbook didn't really prescribe the "how". There's a part of me that is leaning into being very honest with the women I see. Example: "You're my number 3 and you know it...." "Youre my number 1 - i don't let the others sleep over, I only cuddle you etc" People will throw rocks at me for "manipulating" a 30 year old into a relationship where she might think she's gonna get my children, when she's not. "you should let her go bro, that's so dark of you". But part of me is newly aware that the RP is amoral, and this 30 y o woman knows deep down that she should not expect children from a guy like me. I also don't care so much becuase they love being with me regardless. The way i see it is that I hope to get to a place that genuine desire is so strong from my plates that they are ok being shared and understanding if I want to have children with the 25 year old and not the 32 year old. Your help to article, books, and other members would help me. Do I go the brutally honest route, or more seductive and 'leading them on' direction. + Does anyone else find it hard to connect with other men who are not red pill? I live in a feminist city and I struggle to find these guys. I'm pretty lone wolf apart from online and I want to change that. Any advice? My thoughts of desperation are to beeline the chads at my gym and boxing group. Thanks! Joey + I’ve finished the RP Side Bar once and wondering if there’s something similar to start with in the Patreon here? Or just reread/relisten the sidebar again?

I applied leave them better than you found them, now I don't know how to get rid of them. With chicks it has benefits, they introduce me their GFs at least. With guys not so much, they are retarded in some or the other way, they won't get me anywhere, they will pull me down. One entrepreneur guy, rich guy but total social retard, cockblocker, bitching into people' ears guy. Then there is "Searching for opportunity to jump into fights" guy. How can I get rid of them when I know I will see them at certain places? I didn't know they are like that until they showed me. I will move, so I won't see them again but it's definitely good skill to have. I can't just walk away to another place everytime I figure that certain guy has some weak spots, I might as well stay home forever. It will happen to me again, I will make "friend" with somebody then I realize there's something off. I don't want these guys in my circle but what can I do right? Telling them don't do that doesn't work, they continue. They are known by some of my acquaintances, so they will be somehow around anyways. On the beggining of July I move to bigger city. Now I'm deciding between 1.3.million city or 400k people city.