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Attack On Titan S4 Ep 15

OMFG NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! LEVIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!! 😭😭😭😭😭

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Eren made up that whole theory

adan blas

its a gift

Michelle Lam

blows my mind how Michelle would throw the most random left-field theories but somehow perfectly predicts what is gonna happen next....

killilu

Majority of the fandom is pretty much on team paradis. These are who people who we grew to love and care about. I don’t care about the rest of the world.

Amber Augustine

I mean on paper Zeke s plan causes least amount of death and the least amount of pain. Logically his plan is far more superior than the other plans, it is just tragic that its a situation where forcing nation to die out is the least deadly route. I personally d not be able to join Zeke in his ideaology coz I am far too self interested, BUT it is a plan that I can understand especially with his background...he probs in a way lvoed Eldians but also Marley, the onylw ay to not see both of these netions kill each other till no one leaves standing is this.

Karin

y'all can call it what you want but out of all the solutions proposed so far, Zeke's plan is the most realistic AND the least barbaric one.

allan

Yeah it could be a good theory but he let erwin sacrifies himself in the end so he's not the one who triggered his genes, maybe no one did

Enzo Peuble

The reason Levi isn't a slave to Eren, is because Eren is not the one who triggered his Ackerman gene like with Mikasa. The Ackerman don't necessarely need to protect Eren, but instead just the one who triggered their Ackerman gene. There are a lot of people who believe Erwin was the one who triggered Levi's gene. And that that is the reason why Levi has always listened to and protected Erwin. Either way, this is all just speculation

Viggoiv

kind of scary to see how many commenters seem to be ok with eugenics.

czubie

Zeke’s plan isn’t to kill eldians it’s to get rid of their ability to reproduce that way their an never be future eldians that will have to suffer what they have suffered personally I don’t agree with this plan but I trust in Eren’s decision

TEMPEST

one of my fav episodes, very eyeopening!

adam

At this point, I literally just take in all the information they’re giving us and gave up on theorising lol. Neither side is wrong or correct so I just wait till it’s all revealed.

Elena Sinclair

idk imagine if you could just precisely target sterilize an entire country, it would literally be filled with only skeletons in 100 years. all their property and land is just free real estate. how this that not genocide

DB Cooper

i remember my sub having that line aswell. is that what he actually says in the manga? cause it feels way more impactful

DB Cooper

Read their upload schedule up in the pinned post.

MacarooniR0b

WHERE IS EPISODE 16

ChrisBrah-4

So, in the last episode, Eren basically tells Mikasa that she just imprinted on him and mistook him for her "host". Eren has no royal blood, so that's why Levi was able to beat him up in season 1.

J Austin

I just wanted to let ya'll know, which I've already read from the comments so hopefully you've already seen someone else say, that the word "euthanasia" is an incorrect translation that I've seen on multiple streaming sites. What they're basically saying is that they want to neuter all the Eldians. So that after a hundred years, they'd just die out. Zeke doesn't want to make anyone suffer or die. (which is kinda strange from his character's pov to me, because we see him multiple times, rip apart eldians & do other horrible stuff to them when he's in beast form..but yea! <3

Noahb3

My first thought about the Ackerman Slave thing was, "this plot doesn't make sense, it ruins all the Ackerman characters, including Levi and Kenny. It's just too frustrating that their actions/decisions were based on this slave nature."

Ivan Wen

in the previous episode levi said himself how many times he saved eren. So it could be cause of orders but could also be the other thing..

Kevin Depoppe

The purpose is not to kill eldians, but to make them unable to have children, then the eldian race will go extinct, the term euthanasia is in this sense

To To

If u read my comment till the end of it, you’ll find that I agree with what you said! I don’t approve to Zeke’s plan, but it is actually the only way to not shed a drop of blood! No eldian would be killed, no war would happen ( at this time, I don’t mean it would never happen in the world), they’ll just wait until the eldians extinct. That’s it, what I mean is related to the time being with the eldians not the future

Faith Kim

When Mikasa "awakened" Erens still wasn't even a titan, neither did he have any royal blood. The way he put it, sounds like the situation they were in triggered her Ackerman awakening, and Eren was placed as the one she needed to protect and serve. If you think about it, both the other Ackerman's had that exact same bond with a person of their own. Levi had Erwin, and Kenny had Udo Reiss (The Founding Titan before Frieda Reiss).

Luís

Levi was already attached to Erwin. Kenny to Udo. This is one of the reasons of not obeing Eren. But, still, Eren never triggered his instincts. One important thing: “I’am free, because i was born into this world”. - Eren

Rhuan Soletti

yeah hope they see this^^^

Teresa

rip levi

Amine

they are not going to kill all the eldians but just don't let them have childens

anes Addou

Sushi squadddd i love yall reactions things are heating up !!!!

Energy

Ksaver said he inherited a Titan as his own way to commit suicide. Not "to go out with a bang."

Eugene Conner

Sushi Squadron 😏

Nuwudles

Yeah they not killing them all they just de sexing them like you did to teddy but it happens magically with out needing a cone or even knowing that happen

Jordan

I 2nd this

Jordan

Eren’s intention is not “retaliation” but I can’t tell you why and discuss about this right now because I don’t want to spoil

Ilayda Koca

Antinatalism (Zeke's view here) is an actual philosophy. Check it out on wiki.

ProXy124c41

but ur taking away their ability to have children tho. there's no way i'd go along with such a fucked up plan

iu

tbh i didnt finish reading your first comment before i replied i just saw the first two sentences and i heard my friends who are manga readers say something similar how they skip out alot in the series and yea. As for this ackerman thing though, I've always believed, that, anything they show isn't going to be left alone without detailed explanation so whatever is unclear (for this case the ackerman effect) will be explained later. That's how it was for me when i watched i just gave up on questioning and just kept watching and allowed the show to explain to me lmao. And i think its best because if youre too curious sometimes you get out of your way and might stumble upon spoilers!

ChrisBrah-4

Very true,despite what I said, imo, it is the best show out there,like literally, what can compare to it? very few. And it's been a while since I last read but in terms of the anime, its (Ackerman Paths) information they weren't able to put in clearly, or give it it's time to bask in the sun.

Reggie Azem

WELP NO MORE INDIVIDUAL EPISODE UPLOADS AFTER THIS ONE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE NEXT ONES IN ONE SITTING UP TO PART 2 😂😂

ChrisBrah-4

I feel only the people who have read the manga has this opinion since obviously they cant animate everything the manga has to show so youd think they're skipping out alot but even then, for any non-manga reader the show is still perfection.

ChrisBrah-4

why are we using terms like pro- and anti- in this scenario. It reminds me of our own sickly world.

ChrisBrah-4

you are definitely watching something else other than this show if you think Zeke had a choice when he did what he did as a 12 year old

ChrisBrah-4

lol to think your first argument was bad then you took a shot at erwin your opinion is null lmao

ChrisBrah-4

I feel like forced sterilization qualifies as genocide. It’s sorta a bloodless genocide tho

LJ

not really he isnt directly killing anyone, just preventing further eldian birth, euthanasia is not genocide.

ChrisBrah-4

Well, he truly believes that ending the Eldian race will achieve peace and how would it not? Especially after we just saw his backstory. The world wouldn't have to worry about titans and Eldians wouldn't have to be born JUST to live out cruel fates or simply die. Zeke sees this as mercy and that's just how it is that he believes he's right. I'm not saying I agree with this method but this episode did its best in explaining where he's coming from

ChrisBrah-4

I am a manga reader, every anime I watch if they got manga I read. I’m still team eren.

Ybor

not true knowing everything we manga readers know. yeagerist fans are despised in the fandom because you all try to sway the opinions of others instead of letting them decide for themselves

Cloudburst

idk if u guys will see this but pleasee before you guys watch the next episode watch ending 2 again it makes so much more sense now

Centric

LEVI IS A GOAT :'(

bluemilk

Levi can fight with eren because he's loyal to Erwin, that is his "Ackerman curse"

Ivan Ascencio Roman

Everyone has their opinions of course.

Dylan

okay so Levi was able to hit eren because Eren is not the “host” of Levi so to say, like not the leader ig. Mikasa protected Eren because of his command so she stuck with the thought that she had to protect him

Bryan Castaneda

bro this guy responding to every comment about zeke, he beefing with a fictional character

FURsona

They should already know though, Eren told Mikasa last episode that Ackermans originally were meant to protect the King, but that Mikasa just "latched" onto Eren mistaking him for the person she's meant to protect. Levi never had that trigger with Eren so he obviously has no reason to feel protective over Eren.

Jordan Jee

That's what they call "judging book by it's cover".

Taiga

Again, there's no killing Eldians, so that's not genocide. You're true about it not saving the world though, humans are humans, and Marley are actually imperialists (like russians, or germans), they won't stop wars unless they conquer the whole world.

Taiga

Well, you got it wrong, Eren's and Zeke's plan isn't to kill everyone, but for Eldians to not be able to reproduce anymore. Currently living Eldians, would live their lifes normally, unless killed.

Taiga

how is this peaceful? don't you think that they do want to have kids? fuck them marleyans and the rest of the world, they wanna kill them so they gotta protect themselves

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About Eldian and Marleyan history: When we watched Grisha's past, we were presented with these two viewpoints about the 1820 years of Titan's dominance. Marleyan history books tell that the Eldian Empire ruled over the world, wiped out cities and even entire races. When we met the Restorationists, however, we were presented with Eldian history books that seem to show Ymir constructing all sorts of buildings, roads, plowing fields and all sorts of good deeds. There are two details I think you should be aware of: 1) When Grisha told the Restorationists about this "bright" side of their own history, Grice (the guy that told Grisha about his sister's death that happens to be Falco's uncle) asked Grisha: "how could you understand this book's ancient language, Grisha?" Grisha said that he "barely started to get it". Grice so asked how Grisha could conclude what he was saying about Eldia's past and then Grisha answered: "isn't it obvious? It's because I have FAITH in our ancestor Ymir!" Do you see what they did here? Grisha was just looking at the pictures and concluding what he desperately wanted to believe. What he was telling Zeke in this episode, about the Tragedy of Lago, was just his own expectations and beliefs, not the truth. Also: all world nations don't seem to dispute the Marleyan accounting of the past. Only Restorationists are found to propose a different viewpoint. For the rest of the world, the Eldian Empire did eugenics, genocide and had an imperalist foreign policy. 2) Another interesting point is the same direction appears when Grisha is talking with Eren Krueger about the same subject: Eldia's past. There's this moment when Krueger says (talking about Ymir Fritz): "for the Marleyans, she was a devil's pawn; for the Eldians, a miracle of God. What I've learned in all these years is: there's no objective truth. You can be either a demon or a god, people just need to believe in it." So Krueger is telling us that this beautiful view Grisha had about Eldian history is not the truth, and cannot be: is solely his (biased) viewpoint.

André Carvalho

Pro human who detroyed a lot of coutries, killed his parents, killed a lot of eldians for no reason, attacked eldians when they were pacifics and ignorants. Only because his father was a resistant. Shame

dolo

"Only" a genocide on a peacefull people called "demons" and attacked for no reason. And titans will be remplaced by bombs, that doesnt save the world at all...

dolo

Think of it this way, If you look at it from the perspective that we see from the start of the show (Edian's caged behind the walls and knowing nothing of the outside world for 100 years). The wall being destroyed and 250k lives being taken by titans, a new cycle of hatred started then. From that moment onwards everything is in retaliation to that specific moment. The Eldians that were massacred during the destruction of the wall had nothing to do with what their ancestors did thousands of years ago, yet the outside world still blamed them for that and wanted them all dead regardless. People's inability to let go of things that never happened in their generation is why Erin is doing what he's doing. Hundreds of thousands of Eldians were murdered in the span of 10 years because of the outside world. What Erin does is all in retaliation. No one wanted peace, no peace they will get.

Fabian Glynan

Oh yeah of course the world will be in peace without eldians... never. There are armies and war even when eldians were isolated and ignorants. The world of AOT is similar as our world, titans will be replaced by nuclear bombs... So, first, that doesnt save the world at all, 2nd, there is no promise that they will not be attacked anyway, 3rd this is a genocide.

dolo

The Ackerman thing will be explained in a future episode. Specifically the part what Eren told Mikasa

Azizella

Wtf am I reading

dolo

They wouldnt kill anyone but they killed already a lot. And anyway their plan is a genocide...

dolo

Anyway it's a genocide

dolo

to be fair, zeke's plan is solid. no one will have to die, he wants to take away their ability to have kids so that means that this will be the last generation of eldians. in like 90 yrs no eldians will be alive anymore. that's as peaceful as it gets in my opinion.

REDRIOT

He just want to make disapear his own peuple. He killed his parents. Since 12 years he destroyed a lot of countries for mahr... he is not "considered" but he is a vilain, maybe one of the badest. And it's not really a different point of view. Mahr uses concentration camps, cuffs, deportation, eldians kamikaze, eldian children as soldier.... they are basicly nazis.

dolo

Don't feel for him at all, just an all round loser longing for attention from his father as a child. He then decided to euthanize his race instead of standing up for the injust treatment of their kind. But what can you expect from a brainwashed child. He believes he's saving the world by his euthanization plan. Doesn't make him any less of an a-hole for massacring all those Eldians as well as commander Ervin.

Fabian Glynan

Just to clarify, euthanasian is removing the ability to make babies, they wouldn't kill anyone with this plan they would just remove their ability to have babies.

kirk poss

It’s actually the “sterilization” plan not “euthanasia”. They want to make it to where eldians and can’t have kids, not kill them.

LJ

Zeke is actually one of my favorite characters even though he is considered a "villain," you really start to feel for him. This show does such an amazing job showing every side of the story. There are no heroes and there are no villains. There are just opposing points of view!

Dylan

I don’t know why people say Ron is dumb, he had some really good questions towards the end 💪🏻🫰🏻 In my opinion, I think Zeke’s plan is the safest plan to the situation when it comes to ward and blood shedding, but it’s so selfish because in order to save the world, you’re wiping out a whole race who was living peacefully within walls without knowing a world existed until the world attacked them. Imagine being forced to not be able to have kids! Wow

Faith Kim

i can’t believe you guys are this close to part two

Carter Gavigan

Just when you think you have the answers, they keep changing the questions on yall lol

john Alexander

dude swapped out baseballs for rocks and body parts

Ameed Abuzahrieh

This is exactly what makes Attack on Titan so controversial. There is a hopeless situation and really no idea as a solution is good, since the whole event is already messed up at its core. Supporting Zeke's plan to render the Eldia infertile is the only and best option for everyone, since it doesn't cause blood to spill? What about the blood that Eldians in Paradis have shed for years without knowing anything of the world? Why do Eldians have to pay for it again and again, just because some idiots don't want to realize that they aren't demons? Why should Eldians be selfless and let the hateful and unfair world eliminate them? For the greater good? Well.. If you fight you live, if you don't fight you die.

Ilayda Koca

ackermans dont protect 'eren', they portect their 'host', each ackerman can choose his host

komuro

their plan is not to kill all the eldians, euthanasia plan is to make all eldians infertile with the power of the founder, not kill them, so that in 100 years all titan power disappears.

komuro

The title plays a major role on this episode. Sole Salvation. For Grisha his sole salvation was turning his son into a warrior candidate so he could earn a titan. Zekes childhood was always pretending to understand his Father and his believes about the Eldians, aswell as the belief of his Grandpa, he always deceived on side in pretending to agree with them. He always wanted to be loved and respected from his parents, and seeing the one kid playing ball with his father showed him that it is possible, and not only like he thought. After 'failing' in becoming a warrior candidate he was let down by his parents, he wasnt required to the Marleyans, he felt useless. Then Xavier was the only person he could truly be himself, Zeke. After being finally let down by his father at the dining table, his own salvation, to carry on his and Xaviers Plan was to betray his parents, to keep moving on with his plan. As for Zeke, the only plan is the Eutanasia Plan, to never be born into this world as an Eldiab, whereas for Eren that is exactly the point why he kept on moving all the time, because he WAS born into this world.

T!

Just saying my guy, there not supposed to know he has his own plan😂 but I do agree with you

iccecj

Monkas

Melker Linderoth

FR HIGHLY SUGGEST WATCHING THE NEXT 5 IN A ROW, ITS ALL ACTION

ilovefeetandspit

huhhhhhhh

Mojira

that Zeke backstory was sad as shit ngl, but im still team Eren I hope he has another plan. Zekes plan def sounds cool in the moment but I wouldnt submit

Harper

yea just like some others are saying... this plan of zekes is not to kill all eldians. its actually a merciful way of basically giving the world what they want, while also allowing eldians alive to live out the rest of their days. This plan takes away eldians ability to give birth. so basically no eldian would ever be born again into this world. Its actually not the worst plan in the world, its very merciful in my opinion. but it does in fact wipe out a whole race after the next generation, if it were to be used.

LelouchFam

im soooo hyped for the next episodes. You should watch episode 75, 76 and 77 together or at least 76 and 77 because those episodes blend straight in together

Pape Dale

Least bloodshed? Definitely. Best? That depends. I personally sympathize with Eren's plan more.

Maks Lesniewski

I think it is important to point out that the stuff Grisha that was teaching Zeke is his own interpretation on the Eldian History. It isn't necassarily lies from Marley, Grisha doesn't 100% know himself either it is just what he believes in.

NissanZaxima

this isn't confirmed but the theory behind the ackerman protection thing is the ackerman chooses a host to protect. so when mikasas power activated it chose to protect eren, kenny chose the late king, and levi would in theory protect ewrin.

jeffrey Sangster

Nobody is safe in this anime! RIP to everybody.

JC Hernandez

RIP Levi.

24xhibit .

Team Eren anyday for sure!

Logan

Calling it the euthanasia plan could be confusing. Its still a natural death for current eldians. Its just that they can't reproduce. I support Zeke is this scenario. The only solution with no killing and also doesn't burden the future Eldians with passing on the 7 titans by eating each other.

SoySauce

Agreed.. It's the subtitles but they said they're going to watch the original from crunchyroll in part 2.. but yeah.. I think that's also why they've been somewhat confused at times, due to the subtitles they're watching

Simari B

When Eren and Zeke were talking about the Eldians dying, They were talking by those in Liberio when they planned that attack back in episode 5-8

Simari B

“Didn’t know Grisha was like this” Where do you think Eren gets it from

Drai

"There is no greater salvation than never being born into this world." I felt like to my deepest core. Life is already such a struggle, I would prefer never having to go through the pain of it if I had a choice. This show hits hard. Beautiful reaction <3

B

their plan was not killing all the Eldians, they said that the founder can alter the bodies of the Eldians so they cant reproduce anymore and in 100 years after they die normally they will be no eldians and no titan powers

Yazan Muqaibel

Answering Rons question towards the end of the upload. As wonderful and perfect as this show is, its still has the same issue most Tv' shows have and that is trying to cram in an entire chapters worth into 25-ish mins of programming. I don't think ppl can fully answer your question Yet bc it does revolve around a few Spoilers. but the idea built so far is that Ackermans innately look for someone worthy to defend, Levi- Erwin, Mikasa-Eren, Kenny- Uri Reiss, from the available information given to us, it was said that One of the kings created the Ackermans (special beings) to be on par with one of the nine, summoning untold strengths by Ackerman Bloodline of cumulative power by use of "Paths", like a switch, their version of adrenaline.

Reggie Azem

completely side with the jaegerists. You'll see why later into the season. In aot, there really is no good or bad guys, thats what I love about the peak writing of this show

Abner_. Silveira

"Kill the Eldian" maybe not the right word to describe their plan. Zeke just want the Eldian to free from suffering and he don't want to do that by starting a war with Marley and the world. So he just tought the idea to castrate all the Eldian, so that all the Eldian will slowly fade away and extinct from the world without facing more hatred and bloodshed

안eugene

If u think about it: The Euthanasia plan is the plan with the least bloodshed and probably the best plan or way to deal with this titan power and Racism between Eldians and non Eldians. What do u guys think?

Trinature

I think its crazy that everyone hated Zeke before we saw his backstory, but when u actually learn about his backstory, almost everyone could relate to him and feel bad for him. Again story writing at its best

Trinature

I know it’s just semantics, but I would say Zeke is more “anti-titan” even if he might call himself pro-human. Eldians are still human to me, they’re just also able to turn to titans. Saying they’re not human just cries eugenics to me

RPSiege

Levi is only loyal the Erwin the way Mikasa is loyal to Eren

Jonathan LaGuer

The Euthanasia Plan doesnt involve killing all the Eldians, it only alters the bodies of the Eldians so they cant reproduce anymore and the power of the titans then dies with them...

Trinature

the Ackerman thing will be explained more later

iu

We actually don’t know a whole lot about Ackermans so far. Based on what Eren said, we would maybe assume that Levi never “mistook” Eren for the “King” like he said Mikasa did, so Levi never had the urge to protect him in the same way. Although he has saved Eren a number of times, it didn’t seem like it was on the impulsive level. Levi was pretty loyal though, thinking back to him being Erwin’s right hand

RPSiege

This was such a cliffhanger , had to wait forever for part 2 😆

Jaidan Brown

I LOVE Ace of the Diamond. Solid recommendation

Allokinetic

Zeke is actually pro-human, he is willing to do any evil for ending the titan race. And yes, I root for levi too, the strongest human.

matt

If you guys ever want a good baseball anime, I recommend Diamond no Ace.

SoySauce

Fact, young Zeke voiced by Deku's VA

안eugene

Erens not wrong at alll. If they don’t kill all of them than more than likely everything will keep happening.

Ybor

The Ackerman question does come up later on.

Anarkhie

Almost at part 2 nice

Burning Talons

Team eren let’s go!

Luciano Quiej

LETS GO

Javier Ayona-Rios

ye

Allokinetic

First ?

Faris


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