EARLY ACCESS BoJack Horseman Season 1 Episode 12 Reaction

Thank you ❤️! And yeah, I just didn't want them to cluster him so soon as hopeless or unaware of himself Couse of his narcissistic traits he portrait..he is really interesting and moving tragic character (even if annoying af) and DBT is the best , helpd me a lot :)

yug555

These are great thoughts! Bojack definitely fits a lot of the traits. Whether or not he's diagnosable, dialectical behavioral therapy, which is a type of therapy that's to help with mood disorders, substance abuse, binge eating, and more, would definitely help him. Well, as long as he didn't fight against it. It's also had a lot of studies done to show it's effective in helping people suffering with borderline personality disorder I didn't expect another Semblance of Sanity fan dealing with BPD. Good luck dude!

Vulhort

I like the bookends here, the first episode ending with him puking over the railing of his fancy self adulating home's balcony after a pretty awful night and finding out something he wanted was inaccessible to him. The last ended in the Observatory balcony holding an award over the edge after finding out he gave something to someone just by being honest and finding it kind of nice. The writers truly are excellent.

Louise C

Another great reaction, but I must ask: what on earth is the weather where you both are, because your clothes suggest different answers, haha

fr0st

I think this show brings up the interesting idea of how much of a difference there is between wanting to do good things and actually doing good things. It seems like Bojack is the kind of person that would believe that thinking about giving money to the homeless would make him better than someone that doesn't even consider it. Even if he never actually does the good thing, he believes that considering doing good things somehow gives him some "credit." At the same time, he can look at the bad things he does do and he thinks to himself "that's not actually me. I did that thing, but that's not how I actually feel, the real me is how I feel on the inside." Which to be fair, it's understandable why he and others would think that. I think we often think of our "inner selves" as the "true" us. It's our thoughts, and what could be a more real representation of us than our own thoughts? ...Until we realize how easy it can be to lie to ourselves, knowingly or unknowingly. And it's almost like a "if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" kind of thing. If a part of yourself never makes contact with the reality outside yourself, is it real? You can think very good thoughts, but if you never do anything with them, are they really good thoughts? How real are those good thoughts actually? So it turns into an interesting conundrum of how can you ever know yourself? People on the outside lack so much information about you that they could never truly KNOW you, and yet you can't know yourself either. It's just a really interesting conversation. This show makes me want to think and talk about so many things.

Tmatts

I love Diane's point when she says "I don't know if I believe in deep down, I kinda think all you are is just the things that you do". I don't think it's depressing, I find it liberating. I actually think it would be really helpful for Bojack if he were able to really apply it. Your thoughts about yourself, kind or unkind, don't have to define you. That's his problem really, he always intends to do right by others but he's so focused on his self perception that he never really does. But in the end he just comes back to wanted to be liked. Wanting validation.

I love all the Hollywoo references. Even after the show is over I still hear it in my mind when I see Hollywood..lol Amazing brilliant show

Brad Johnson

The Vincent Adult man analysis is really intriguing and I've literally never heard anyone else (reactor wise,) bring it up. The boys are at it again lol

Ruben Lopez

Yes! Every character in this show is complex , there is no one who's perfect and everyone can relate to someone. It's human experience and nihilism and huge questions that everyone thinks about ...amazing writing. so happy they cover it so well, talk about lots of things I never noticed

yug555

It's also an early look at how toxic Mr. Peanutbutter's positivity can be at times. I love that this show is wiling to explore the whole spectrum here.

Tmatts

mr peanut Butter told diane "the meaning of life is to keep yourself busy with nonsense until you die" When she told him she want to help and write about something important, that's was the story of him and todd this episode and linked to bojack story, wasn't just a silly joke, and its showing how ms peanut Butter is dealing with life and why he is always positive and thats annoying bojack (the same reason why he is annoyed by the presence of adultman. peanut butter is "too stupid to see how miserable he should be" bojack said in the first episode) because bojack can not run away or doing nonsense stuff to distract himself, he's too deep into his head and not know how to deal with sadness. you keep talking about him as narcissistic but he definitely has (not definitely, it's not a spoiler its never gets addressed in the show but its speculated among the fanbase and professionals) bpd that has never been treated and a substance abuse problem (im diagnosed with bpd, it can look alike sometimes in some cases) a lot of therapists cover his character and come to this conclusion, and also some of the thing he said that just slide off for most people for me and other fans with mental health issues hits sooooooo hard and close to home ...you should read about the diagnosis i think it will give you more complexity for how you view bojack. i love(!!!) your reaction and look to it each week! also linked your channel in a facebook group of fanbase from israel and you receive love over there as well (english is not my language that's why my spelling is so awful, but i hope its readable and points are made haha) Thank you so much for the deep dive! welcome to my ted talk

yug555