MM37 - Enter the Scheider-verse feat. Andrew Hudson
Added 2025-05-21 11:00:11 +0000 UTCIt’s showtime folks! On this episode of Movie Mindset, we’re joined by Mindset Champion Andrew Hudson to celebrate the iconic American actor Roy Scheider, a man Will psychologically associates with his father because of Jaws.
First up is Bob Fosse’s All That Jazz (1979), where Scheider plays Joe Gideon, Fosse’s thinly-veiled cinematic alter-ego. Here in this stunning meditation on the power of musical theater and death, we see a portrait of an artist as a man who drinks too much, smokes way too much, and most importantly gets so much pussy it kills him.
Then in William Friedkin’s Sorcerer (1977), Roy finds himself condemned to an unnamed Central American hell hole where he and three other lost souls take a pleasant drive through the jungle trucking crates of unstable dynamite. Nerves are shredded, doom awaits us all, and we learn about amateur explosives expert “Marvin the Torch.”
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Stanley Kubrick said All That Jazz was one of the best movies he ever saw
Max Fennig
2025-10-28 21:42:16 +0000 UTCWill and Hesse, you made me look into Lenny Bruce and the first thing I found was this: https://youtu.be/G3QgxmiBfNY?si=2W4q5z4Xtk1VrDHF Don't tell me prep kid inventing getting addicted to airplane isn't hilarious!
Bill Ewanick
2025-09-22 00:56:05 +0000 UTCWay late to this, but Sprcerer is one of my top 5 favorite 70s films, it's miraculous, so glad y'all covered it. I gotta finish All That Jazz.
Letty
2025-06-30 04:40:02 +0000 UTCPaused halfway through to watch Sorcerer it's so good
Chad Dopamine
2025-05-30 16:11:09 +0000 UTCThat guy who blew up the tree probably burned down half the Bronx back in the day
Gordon Schmidt
2025-05-29 06:01:33 +0000 UTCYes 100%! If you wanna hear more about it I did an episode of the podcast Extended Clip about it lol
Hesse Deni
2025-05-29 02:31:11 +0000 UTCSorcerer is almost as good as uncut gems
Alex C
2025-05-27 04:50:01 +0000 UTCGreat episode as always
Cameron Young
2025-05-26 21:35:29 +0000 UTChaving listened to tons of Friedkin interviews, i can only imagine him sitting in a theater, watching Star Wars (or at least the first hour) and screaming, "THIS is what they want? It's fucking puppets! they painted some trash cans red and blue and called them droids! people are morons!"
Bob Lemmon
2025-05-26 00:48:29 +0000 UTCmy one logical nitpickwith the film (and just one more stick on the "they're in Hell" bonfire) - why wouldn't the oil company just have fresh (stable) dynamite flown in on the plane? Surely they can just order some from Managua or whatever, right?
Bob Lemmon
2025-05-26 00:46:36 +0000 UTChe's about as megalomaniacal as Walker (of the Ed Harris/Alex Cox variety)
Bob Lemmon
2025-05-26 00:44:52 +0000 UTCthe fact that Hesse's first time watching Sorceror wasn't on the big screen at some revival house, or on a bootleg, out of desperation pre-bluray restoration, but just on-demand, on edibles...
Bob Lemmon
2025-05-26 00:43:22 +0000 UTCyeah every time i watch it (but esp t he first time) my reaction is just a mouth-agape "this movie was MADE *FOR* ME!!!" like, could a movie hit my nervous system any more harmonically?
Bob Lemmon
2025-05-26 00:26:00 +0000 UTChe was too busy spinning cylinders in cambodia to find out
Bob Lemmon
2025-05-26 00:20:14 +0000 UTCFirst I paste this into the wrong comments, now Patreon won’t let me delete it. At least Will would appreciate I was trying to comment on a Star Trek podcast. Not that he would ever read comments
Amos Happ
2025-05-25 21:57:09 +0000 UTCPRIME CORRECTIVE Matt claimed that Principal Snyder was in charge of Sunnyvale High until it was swallowed by the Hellmouth, ironically in the context of chiding Andy for getting his Buffy lore twisted. Well you just dug your own grave, Mira. ***Major Buffy spoilers follow*** Principal Snyder was devoured by the Mayor in the finale of Season 3! Matt probably got this conflated with the series finale destruction of Sunnyvale because shortly after swallowing Snyder the high school was destroyed in the battle against the Mayor following his Ascension into a giant snake guy. But the incorrectness continues. The first Principal was Principal Flutie, who was also eaten, now that I think about it. Was there some sort of spell requiring all Principals to be eaten? So can we all agree that Buffy should be the next show?
Amos Happ
2025-05-25 21:53:55 +0000 UTCI only briefly sampled the show but I might go back and go all-in now that you mention Qualley. I'm uh........... I enjoy seeing the thespian Margaret Qualley in motion pictures.
Rohmer Simpson
2025-05-23 23:19:41 +0000 UTCI get the impression he thought of himself as an Orson Welles type: immeasurable self-regard, sometimes given to hair-trigger eruptions but otherwise, by and large, a guy who wanted most to be seen as a classy dude, and what's more, had more culture in his pinky finger than almost all his colleagues. His appearance on Maron's podcast made a big impression on me. If I could warp space and time I'd make sure he narrated my funeral. Incredible voice.
Rohmer Simpson
2025-05-23 23:17:24 +0000 UTCNo shade to Scheider but what would All That Jazz be like with Walken playing Joe instead?
Warbs
2025-05-23 20:45:57 +0000 UTCHe reminded me of Llewelyn as well.
Warbs
2025-05-23 20:30:37 +0000 UTCI worked the door at a bar in college when Joe Mazzulla was playing and a coworkers friend was telling us about how he was in a club the night before and ran into Mazzulla in the bathroom. He started telling Joe how great he was at basketball and Joe said “Oh if you like basketball so much tell me the lineup of the 96 Bulls (I forget the actual team)” the guy started laughing and said “oh I’m not sure”, Joe then broke his beer bottle on the urinal, pointed it at him, and said “tell me the lineup.” Joe then noticed the guys shoes and started complementing them and left the bathroom. Immediately after finishing the story Joe Mazzulla walked up and the guy said “ hey man, you threaten me with a bottle last night!” and Joe just laughed and said “oh yeah I probably did, I was on one!”
Just A Big Cockroach
2025-05-23 12:53:47 +0000 UTCOnce had a 30 min conversation with William Friedkin at an opera house where he was just mingling with a highball before a performance he directed. Despite his reputation he was really open and enthusiastic, though we only talked about opera.
J Fitz
2025-05-23 03:47:09 +0000 UTCHesse - you mentioned in passing La Roue by Abel Gance, is that good/recommended? It's been on my Criterion watchlist but I've never committed to watching it.
awwwwwwww
2025-05-23 03:28:46 +0000 UTCThere’s also a ton of Fosse historical context vis a vis Gwen Verdon in the FX “Fosse/Verdon” series from 2020, it’s pretty good and you get Michelle Williams as Verdon and Maggie Qualley as Ann Reinking.
Diego Corazón
2025-05-23 03:14:12 +0000 UTCThe editor of All That Jazz (and Lenny) was Alan Heim, who also plays the editor character in “All That Jazz”. I got a chance to work with him early in my career and he was the sweetest guy, very humble and smart. He’s still around too, he’s currently the president of the editor’s IATSE local.
Diego Corazón
2025-05-23 03:11:55 +0000 UTCIt's an acknowledged re-do..
Shauna Seroquel
2025-05-23 00:01:59 +0000 UTCHesse's Friedkin sounds kinda like David Lynch, Andrew's sounds like his E1 Biden from a few years back
Eamon Short
2025-05-22 23:26:28 +0000 UTCAndrew, why are you bringing bad energy into this masterpiece episode with bad juju on the Knicks!?
ERIC
2025-05-22 20:29:04 +0000 UTCWhoah, did Friedkin just straight rip off Clouzot's Wages of Fear?
Gramsci's Ashes
2025-05-22 20:16:48 +0000 UTCSaw it in the theaters, left a deep impression on 12-yr-old me. Bruce Dern is not celebrated as he should be.
Horse Badorties
2025-05-22 19:03:22 +0000 UTCGood ep. I was a little disappointed that the hosts barely touched on RS’s actual acting in Sorcerer through all their vocal impressions of Wm. Friedkin shoving 🧨 up his ass. It’s interesting that Scheider doesn’t play his character Jackie/Juan as particularly smart or gallant, except at the very end when he dances with the old barmaid (which delays his escape long enough to get him killed). In fact, he kinda reminds me of the way Josh Brolin played Llewelyn Moss in No Country for Old Men, as a half-wit shithead who is just clever enough to survive moment by moment, but is too stupid or sentimental to recognize that he’s ultimately doomed. Like Joe Brandon and other immortal Chapo characters?
Bryan Nicholson
2025-05-22 14:52:22 +0000 UTCHighly recommended: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZAvDlqGSEc
k v
2025-05-22 14:29:45 +0000 UTCoh didn't know this was grown man beanie complain o'clock, happy to report!
k v
2025-05-22 12:27:33 +0000 UTCdamn this Bye Bye Life joint is a 10/10 certified House Music banger
etienne
2025-05-22 12:23:40 +0000 UTCGod Andrew is not funny
Brad Snow
2025-05-22 12:09:13 +0000 UTChalfway through the recap of Sorcerer i had to pause the episode to download and watch it because the whole time i was like "this is a fucking me movie" and holy shit i loved it
Carter Kriss
2025-05-22 08:44:15 +0000 UTCI haven’t been excited watching a movie in a long time, like not just listening to it. Wages of fear is great but sorcerer is like candy on the eyes
Matt Coombs
2025-05-22 02:07:15 +0000 UTCSaul Goodman-tier taste
Eamon Short
2025-05-22 01:35:38 +0000 UTCSorcerer is like a waking nightmare. Every frame of it is so unbelievably sinister it feels like a fever dream. Instant top 5.
Ian Priest
2025-05-22 01:01:25 +0000 UTCI'm so hyped for the Criterion 4K I'm bleeding
Rohmer Simpson
2025-05-21 22:55:30 +0000 UTCI think SORCERER heads will really like John Frankenheimer's BLACK SUNDAY (no relation to the Bava). Let me pitch it to you: adapted from Thomas Harris's only non-Hannibal Lecter novel until 2019, the film stars Bruce Dern as a disillusioned Vietnam vet who pairs up with a Palestinian terrorist --- I know I know! but hang with me for a sec --- played by Marthe Keller (a Fassbinder regular and I think someone just mentioned her being in THE MARATHON MAN), to carry out a plot to detonate a shrapnel-laden Goodyear blimp at the Super Bowl. Who's trying to thwart their scheme? Why, a crack team of Mossad agents led by............ fuckin wait for it......... Robert fucking SHAW. Not great, politically? Sure! Stupid as fuck dumbass fun on a grand scale? Absolutely. One of Frankenheimer's best.
Rohmer Simpson
2025-05-21 22:55:02 +0000 UTCWell. This means my mom took me to All That Jazz around Christmas when I was 8... This explains A LOT.
chairman bs
2025-05-21 22:39:45 +0000 UTCTHANK YOU. loved this episode, but that she didn't get a mention and not even HESSE spoke up for her had me mildly fuming. Put some respect on her name.
brewdog
2025-05-21 22:39:14 +0000 UTCApologies if this comes up in the episode (I'm still in the middle of the previous MM) but I want to put in a quick word for the actress and dancer who was Fosse's 2nd wife, Joan McCracken - she only made one film appearance (not including a cameo in HOLLYWOOD CANTEEN), in the 1947 musical GOOD NEWS, but it's proof enough that she was just electric, a proper star. She's the main performer in the title number, as well as my pick for the greatest musical number in all of movies, "Pass That Peace Pipe"; both are clear forerunners to the kind of newfangled dance stylings Fosse would become known for. The movie's on Blu-ray for less than twenty bucks if you think you're up for a blind buy. Undoubtedly one of the piece-of-shit moves Fosse did in his life was leaving McCracken for Gwen Verdon when JM's health started to deteriorate in the late '50s. (Susan Misner plays JM on "Fosse/Verdon", I think for like 3 minutes in one episode.) The kind of thing that fueled the guilt and self-loathing that enriches ALL THAT JAZZ. Whoever said, on the Blank Check episode covering STAR 80, that Fosse thought ATJ would be his swan song and that S80 was a film by a guy who was deeply embarrassed not to have had the good manners to have died already -- direct hit. Jessica Lange's death angel in ALL THAT JAZZ is a tribute to McCracken - her mannerisms/affect, and the costume she wore for her final stage performance, THE INFERNAL MACHINE. (In case you were looking for a Fosse-Cocteau-Oedipus through-line, there ya go!)
Rohmer Simpson
2025-05-21 22:21:49 +0000 UTCSorcerer is such a life long favourite. Great episode.
Frances Mary
2025-05-21 21:45:55 +0000 UTCWhen I think of Roy Scheider, I think of SeaQuest .
Yarblockos
2025-05-21 21:17:23 +0000 UTCHey guys great episode. You were remiss not to mention my favorite Scheider role- Marathon Man. The scene with the Nazi girlfriend when he traps her lying about the ski stuff, and when he kills the Chinese hitman. Great stuff. Also, you mentioned two of my favorite Hanake films in passing a couple shows ago: Seventh Continent and the Piano Teacher, throw in Funny Games and you have a banger.
Bloggystyle
2025-05-21 20:05:11 +0000 UTCthank u! I haven't finished All that Jazz yet but really wanna hear what they have to say about this truly insane (in the best way) movie.
Letty
2025-05-21 20:02:22 +0000 UTCI agree, I think Nilo is implied to be a Nazi hunter, which is what he’s doing in his opening vignette. And unlike the other three, he seems to show up in the Central American village for a purpose instead of being driven there by desperation. Then he assassinates “Marquez,” who is strongly suggested to be a nazi war criminal. It’s not because he’s desperate to replace him in the crew.
emalco
2025-05-21 20:00:39 +0000 UTCFor Sorcerer, I got the impression that “the Mexican guy” was a Nazi hunter. We need to get back to having blue collar, bring your lunch pail to work actors like Scheider.
Rory Schreiber
2025-05-21 19:20:50 +0000 UTCSorcerer discussion begins at 1:11:34
HamDrawn
2025-05-21 18:24:39 +0000 UTCI once had a dream where Roy Scheider was my dad and we were on an island hunting pinatas. The weirdest part was that even in the dream I knew that Roy Scheider wasn't normally my dad.
Peevish Giraffe
2025-05-21 17:35:11 +0000 UTCSorcerer soundtrack is my sex music
AndyFartin
2025-05-21 17:29:15 +0000 UTCHesse and Will have such big hearts and broad minds and you can tell from their incredible movie choices and pair ups 💜
Dongo
2025-05-21 17:15:06 +0000 UTC52 pick up is phenomenal, has an all time sleaze ball bad guy crew. Ann Margaret is smokin and Roy kills as small business pervert and blue jag owner.
Voodoo Glow Skulls
2025-05-21 16:54:48 +0000 UTCFrom a Harper’s Bazaar article about this GOD TIER GAY PUSSY GETTA “According to Fosse biographer Sam Wasson, Fosse was skeptical about casting Verdon as the female lead, and requested that he and Verdon first meet and rehearse together to see whether they could work together. From the first number in rehearsal, "Whatever Lola Wants," Verdon was hooked: "Watching Bob Fosse slithering and stalking his way through the oldest stripper tricks in the book," Wasson writes, "slipping off invisible gloves and shaking his imaginary tits, [Verdon] felt herself giving in. He was fantastic." Out of that meeting came a professional and romantic connection that would span decades. Fosse and Verdon married in 1960, and though they separated in 1971—after several infidelities on Fosse’s part—they remained married until Fosse died in 1987.”
Jon Spinillo
2025-05-21 15:54:24 +0000 UTCWilliam Walker Friedkin
Yairo Martis
2025-05-21 15:23:22 +0000 UTCCliff Gorman was Lenny Bruce, He was also devastating in the original 'Boys in the Band', directed by Friedkin! Also would be great for future mindset if you ever wanna do an o.g. queer films ep
JD
2025-05-21 15:17:01 +0000 UTCIt's a mere fraction of my disappointment that this is not an episode *featuring* Rob Schneider. Deuce Bigolo himself breaking down his favourite scenes and least favourite vaccines
drewb
2025-05-21 15:11:04 +0000 UTCa couple more great Scheider supporting appearances in the 70s : Jacques Deray's 'The Outside Man' and 'The French Conspiracy'. Also from '86 Frankenheimer's '52 Pickup' is an.underrated gem of nastiness.
JD
2025-05-21 15:06:28 +0000 UTC"He's gay for death now" had me cackling
demonsweat
2025-05-21 14:21:38 +0000 UTCThe ex wife is based on Gwen Verdon, you philistines. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIiZuAVZH4w
Noah Mickens
2025-05-21 13:50:27 +0000 UTCI wanted to see Sorcerer just off the movie poster alone. I was too high while watching it, my roommate came in to check on me during the rope bridge scene bc I was just shouting no no no no no at the tv. The dynamite drive wouldn't have been a problem if they'd had a toyota hilux.
Anomalie
2025-05-21 13:41:53 +0000 UTCRoy Scheider’s daughter was in my class in 7th grade. She was cute, and totally had her dad’s nose!
JKL
2025-05-21 12:53:00 +0000 UTCReferred to 'All That Jazz' as 'The Trials and Tribulations of Mister A-Number-One Pussy-Getter' during our watch and got a snort-laugh out of my wife.
Kyle Cassidy
2025-05-21 12:52:49 +0000 UTCSorcerer is Friedkin's masterpiece and it absolutely should have washed the baby movie Star Wars
Flesh Colored Subaru
2025-05-21 12:41:10 +0000 UTCI rented All That Jazz from the video store age 10 or 11. I was having a sleepover. Didn't impress much then, I'll have to revisit.
Erin Kristina
2025-05-21 12:33:32 +0000 UTCLove all the dance this season
Blank
2025-05-21 12:04:56 +0000 UTCDid the proper start to the idea of “meta” begin with Bob Fosse directing Scheider having the heart attack Fosse had as a musical number?
Zach H.
2025-05-21 11:43:33 +0000 UTCI grew up a die hard Tigers fan so Roy became another favorite Tiger via his performance in TigerTown.
wailing ken jennings
2025-05-21 11:40:37 +0000 UTCNot me immediately googling Roy Scheiders nose
Will
2025-05-21 11:36:48 +0000 UTCyou cannot imagine my disappointment upon learning that this is not an episode about Rob Schnieder
tyler
2025-05-21 11:32:28 +0000 UTCall that jazz is one of my favourite movies of all time HUGE W
mads
2025-05-21 11:07:00 +0000 UTC
